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Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops
    #4199092 - 05/20/05 12:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops
May 20, 2005 - alertnet.org

MAASTRICHT, Netherlands, May 20 (Reuters) - Tourists hoping to buy a cannabis joint in Dutch coffee shops could be in for a rude awakening this year under a test plan to curb drug tourism.

Soft drugs are legally banned in the Netherlands but under its policy of "tolerance", people are allowed to have less than 5 grammes of cannabis in their possession. Government-regulated coffee shops can hold a stock of up to 500 grammes.

"We are developing a system whereby people not registered in the Netherlands will not be allowed into coffee shops," Justice Ministry spokesman Ivo Hommes said. A pilot project will start up in Maastricht, on the southern tip of the Netherlands.

"We want to do this to combat drugs tourism and should be able to start the project this summer," he said.

Maastricht, bordering Germany and Belgium, attracts the largest number of tourists in the Netherlands after Amsterdam, many of them French, Germans and Belgians on short breaks.

They include an estimated 1.5 million drug tourists, the city's Mayor Gerd Leers said on Friday at a conference on tackling the cross-border soft drugs problem.

Some 400,000 cannabis smokers live in the Netherlands, where they can openly buy and smoke the drug, to the ire of neighbouring countries. The Dutch population is 16 million.

The centre-right government now wants to curb drugs tourism, in part due to pressure from its European partners.

The number of coffee shops has been cut to 754 nationwide in 2003 from 1,200 in 1997, according to the latest figures from the Netherlands Trimbos institute for addiction studies.

The government also hopes to stub out the illegal growing of hemp plants and sale of soft drugs by criminal groups.

"As member of parliament in The Hague, I thought it was possible to get rid of cannabis by taking hard measures. But after having been mayor of Maastricht for three years I see that it does not work," Leers said.

WATER BED EFFECT

"It's a 'water bed effect' if you push down on one part the problems pop up somewhere else," he said.

He said the tough approach did not work, likening it to the prohibition of alcohol in the United States in the 1920s, which he said was a "a textbook example of a failed experiment in social engineering".

Maastricht, which has about a dozen authorised coffee shops, is discussing details of the pilot with the Justice Ministry, which could involve user registration and identification.

But coffee shops fear the rules will create more problems and chase buyers into the illegal circuit.

"If coffee shops have to carry out controls at the door, people who don't want to register will turn to the illegal circuit. We think nuisance will only increase," the chairman of the association of official coffee shops of Maastricht, Marc Josemans, told the conference.

"Legalise it," was his suggestion.


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: veggie]
    #4199124 - 05/20/05 12:38 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Weak, Netherlands, very weak. :shake: :thumbdown: :nonono: :thumbdown:


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: veggie]
    #4199146 - 05/20/05 12:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: veggie]
    #4199281 - 05/20/05 01:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

They're going to lose billions in tourism, I'll give it that much.


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: Ravus]
    #4199304 - 05/20/05 01:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Correct. I read an article explaining how incredibly stupid they must be to let something like this go through. This will affect many industries in their country. What a bunch of crazy bastards.


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: veggie]
    #4199334 - 05/20/05 01:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

well that sucks...


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: DNKYD]
    #4199356 - 05/20/05 01:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

This is a stupid test and will never make it to the rest of Holland. It is against our constitution... It's a stupid way to keep France and Germany happy. They hate us for our drug policy.

due to pressure from its European partners


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: Annom]
    #4199533 - 05/20/05 03:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)


I thought cannabis was sold in some parts of Germany? I heard it was available throughout Berlin in cafes and tobaccanists.. maybe different states have different laws. Seems somewhat hypocritical of them to moan at Holland about their way of doing things.


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: Sorted]
    #4199579 - 05/20/05 03:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You can buy cannabis in Switzerland, I know that for a tasty fact.


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: veggie]
    #4199606 - 05/20/05 03:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Haha. I guess they were making too much money on drug tourism. This will help reduce that cash flow for sure.




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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: Learyfan]
    #4199624 - 05/20/05 03:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

...No reason for me to visit the Netherlands now... I guess... goddamnit


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #4199994 - 05/20/05 04:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Plenty of reasons to visit the netherlands, man. It's *still* a beautiful country - and it's not like the black market you'd have to use would be much worse than the guy standing outside the coffee shop with a hat that says "Got Chronic?" and waving an American Flag... Ok ok, BURNING flag, but still.


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #4199995 - 05/20/05 04:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

PhatWhitey420 said:
...No reason for me to visit the Netherlands now... I guess... goddamnit




a) This probably won't happen.

b) The Netherlands is a beautiful country with rich art and history. Go.


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-Erik Davis


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #4200354 - 05/20/05 05:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

> I guess they were making too much money

I hate it when that happens.


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Re: Dutch to ban drug tourists from coffee shops [Re: veggie]
    #4200407 - 05/20/05 05:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Blame the USA


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    #4202655 - 05/21/05 09:05 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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drgonz said:
Blame the USA



I can safely say I'm way ahead of you :wink:


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