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Offlinenanananotehead
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Beyond Outrage
    #3265283 - 10/22/04 07:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

An innocent girl was killed at a Red Sox celebration by a police officer who shot pepper balls into the crowd. She was hit directly in the eye by a "non-lethal weapon". This furthers my hatred for the police. She was out of the way and not troubling anyone. When will the incompetence end?

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=50315


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3265332 - 10/22/04 07:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

you've got half a dozen cops surrounded by 3000 rioters that are throwing bottles (at them), throwing trash cans, and lighting fires, and you complain because they accidentally kill one of the rioters while using special projectiles that are designed to be less-than-lethal?

this wasn't even a gathering of the oppressed masses or anything like that. it was a drunken violent mob of sports fans.

whew. some people need to wake the hell up. try living anywhere else in the world and see what the cops do when there is a riot.


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: ]
    #3265368 - 10/22/04 07:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

So since riots go differently in other parts of the world, it completely justifies this persons death? This girl wasnt throwing anything or destroying anything and "whoops" sorry, you die even though you were out of the way. Are you a pissed off Pirates fan or something?


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3265380 - 10/22/04 07:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm curious. What if the girl had been killed by a flying bottle that smashed and severed her jugular? Or trampled to death -- as has happened dozens of times at sports events and has even happened at rock concerts.

Would you then be blaming the police for not controlling the riot which led to her death?



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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3265407 - 10/22/04 07:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

So since riots go differently in other parts of the world, it completely justifies this persons death?

the death was an accident which occured as the result of a completely reasonable, if not overly restrained attempt by police to disperse a violent mob. what do you think the police should have done? how should police respond to riots where people are starting fires and throwing bottles?

Are you a pissed off Pirates fan or something?

i don't follow baseball or any other sport. i couldn't even tell you how the penn state football team is doing this year (sshhh).


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Offlinenanananotehead
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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: ]
    #3265479 - 10/22/04 08:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If she was killed by being trampled or hit by a bottle, it would have been the those individuals in the crowds fault, but if a cop decides to pull the trigger and hit someone in the head (arent they supposed to aim at the lower torso with pepper balls?) then its his fault for not using other resources before choosing a gun. There are these things called tear gas, which I am pretty sure are less lethal than a shot to the face. Thats what cops should have been using, not projectiles.


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3265491 - 10/22/04 08:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

the point of this thread should have been "why sports are fucking stupid". rioting because your team won or lost? give me a break.....


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3265574 - 10/22/04 08:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Are you saying you'd be fine with the cops not taking action to either protect themselves or to stop the riot? Even if it meant someone was killed as a result of their inaction?

As for tear gas projectiles, they can do some damage when they hit you in the face. They were responsible for starting the fire at Koresh's compiund, if I recall correctly.

The people that initiate violence are the ones to be blamed, not the ones responding to that initiation. Would the woman be dead if there had been no riot?


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: Phred]
    #3265587 - 10/22/04 08:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

they used CX Nerve gas at waco.

an agent largely unused by law enforcement and military
prior to that tragedy due to its combustability.


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3265598 - 10/22/04 08:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm with Mushy on this.

Boston needs to learn to control itself.


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: Phred]
    #3265758 - 10/22/04 09:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
Are you saying you'd be fine with the cops not taking action to either protect themselves or to stop the riot? Even if it meant someone was killed as a result of their inaction?

As for tear gas projectiles, they can do some damage when they hit you in the face. They were responsible for starting the fire at Koresh's compiund, if I recall correctly.

The people that initiate violence are the ones to be blamed, not the ones responding to that initiation. Would the woman be dead if there had been no riot?


pinky




http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/22/fan.death/index.html

there was no riot..its always their fault with you right-wing bastards...any use of force is justified so that the big boys can "protect themselves"...they killed that woman just to prove a point ..dont play games with us.. dont mess with us.. play to win...

fuck dignity (==oneupmanship)...


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: ]
    #3265778 - 10/22/04 09:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
and you complain because they accidentally kill one of the rioters




How do you know she was one of the rioters. Same exact shit happened at Kent State. Cops had shit thrown at them so they got trigger happy and started shooting into the crowd and killed some innocent 21 year old girl. Yea accidents do happen but that is still gross negligence.


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3265812 - 10/22/04 09:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I gotta run and cant read through all the replies here.... but the fact that you're using this as an excuse to hate police is pretty sad. You think the policeman was happy about killing her? You think he was grinning "oh yah I shot some girl and I wont get caught" or something stupid like that? Well I guess since he's a cop, that must be what he was thinking.

One of my biggest pet peeves is the ignant ass muthers who think all cops are evil pigs out to kill them and their families. Open your eyes and stop letting your stupid cop-hating friends think for you.

HOWEVER...... I'm not saying their use of force was justified. Regardless, they didn't kill her on purpose, and thinking they did is the kind of thinking that makes shit like this happen in the first place. Blind hatred is what's tearing this world apart.... and yet you continue bullshit like this and perpetuate these kinds of emotions that are killing innocent people every day. Amazing.


Edited by Turd (10/22/04 10:05 PM)


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Re: Beyond awesome (am i right?) [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3265916 - 10/22/04 10:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

maybe she should have learned to duck like anne coulter.. bet she was a liberal...

one down..


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Offlinenanananotehead
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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: Turd]
    #3265928 - 10/22/04 10:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I agree that rioting is ridiculous and has no point, but, she was not rioting and the people directly around her were not. This one incident does not shape my view of the police, but, why do you think people become cops? To help out their fellow man? To bring "peace" to the town/city they are in? Maybe this the case for some, but, I see most hunger for the power; the power to hold a man/woman at gunpoint, interrogate them without reason, and the power to shoot fear into the hearts of whoever they wish. Those cops had the power to make sports fan feel pain and suffering just because people down the street were throwing shit. FUCK THE POLICE!


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3265954 - 10/22/04 10:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

>> You think the policeman was happy about killing her? You think he was grinning "oh yah I shot some girl and I wont get caught" or something stupid like that?

no..i agree with the previous poster ..he was getting an adrenaline rush from aiming the gun and pulling the trigger...at that moment..he had no thoughts about possible repercussions..but only of the power he held over all those ppl in the crowd.. and when they ceased to be human in his eyes..he fired...and mind you..this is a well-known fact of human psychology too...


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3266095 - 10/22/04 11:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Right... you are full of shit. What is the source of your knowledge of officer involved shootings? What is the source of your knowledge of police officers and police work? Now it's been a couple of decades since I studied the subjects of criminal justice and psychology but I did study them and have several family members involved in police work and I also worked for a large municipal agency for several years where I was in daily contact with police officers.

The fact is that psychological studies of police officers involved in shootings have determined that they often miss their human targets even though they have superior training and many hours of practice. Why is that? Cops, more than the average shroomerite, will tend to follow and believe in moral edicts of established religions (yes, they tend to follow orders). It is this same psychology which effects them when confronted with the possibility of taking a human life. Most of them have moral inhibitions against taking a life even when put in a life threatening situation, this compels them to hesitate or miss their targets. Mind you, I am referring to the average police officer involved in a shooting and there are certain to be people who fall outside of this average.


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: Evolving]
    #3266141 - 10/22/04 11:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

>> Right... you are full of shit.

that coming from the mouth of someone that called bush a socialist...

>> Now it's been a couple of decades since I studied the subjects of criminal justice and psychology

in case you havent noticed..times are different now..and its foolish to assume that the same ethical standards that applied back then..which might have mad a cop think twice..still apply today...back then..they needed a court order to tap your phone too...and even more laughable is your implied claim that there is no adrenaline rush in that situation where weapons have been drawn...


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3266186 - 10/23/04 12:04 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
that coming from the mouth of someone that called bush a socialist...



Whether or not Bush is a socialist is irrelevant to my statements.

Quote:

in case you havent noticed..times are different now..



That's right, human nature totally changes in 20 years... NOT. Please try and THINK before responding (if that is within the scope of your capabilities). Do you realize that the career of a police officer can span MORE than 20 years? How many cops are in your family? How often do you talk to them? Have you ever known one that was involved in a shooting? Did you discuss it with him/her? Have any police friends or family members of yours been killed on duty? What have you studied about officer involved shootings? How many psychological studies done of officer involved shootings have you read?

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and even more laughable is your implied claim that there is no adrenaline rush in that situation where weapons have been drawn...



Did you ever pass any reading comprehension tests? Please show me where I implied a claim that there is no adrenalin rush in a situation where weapons have been drawn.


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Re: Beyond Outrage [Re: Evolving]
    #3266308 - 10/23/04 12:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

>> Whether or not Bush is a socialist is irrelevant to my statements.

its relevant to show that their prolly all wrong...

>> Please show me where I implied a claim that there is no adrenalin rush in a situation where weapons have been drawn.

thats what i said in my earlier post..which you said is alot of shit...

>> That's right, human nature totally changes in 20 years... NOT. Please try and THINK before responding (if that is within the scope of your capabilities). Do you realize that the career of a police officer can span MORE than 20 years?

first of all..feel free to take this as a complement..but your one of the most ignorant and condescending pricks on this board...

second of all..there is no reason why human nature wouldnt change totally over 20 years..your assumption that human nature is static and not dynamic is totally baseless...but even if this were so..morals..ethics..and values definitely have changed over that time..and today they are very far off from 20 years ago...read john powers' sore winners to get a clue...the killing of that woman was a direct result of this mentality...

third of all..i agree that most police officers would have been much more professional..especially if they have 20 years of experience...i dont know what the particular officers background was in this case..but he definitely acted impulsively as i described above...


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