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InvisibleMoonshoe
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Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage
    #4683800 - 09/20/05 05:27 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

forgive me if this has been posted already but what a fucking outrage. Heres the situation:

marc emery is canadas most prominent marijuana activist (law reform etc) and a distributer of seeds to "compassion clubs" (medicinal marijuana user groups).

He was recently slammed on a "marijuana conspiracy" charge, and heres the crazy part: they are "extraditing" him to the united states to be charged under american law, even though we was born and raised in canada and is a canadian citizen. They are doing this because he was a shit distruber for justice. But think about the precedent.

They are sending him to the states for trial because he can face harsher penalties there and they want to make an example of him. How is this any more legal than, say, if we were to send him to algeria or some shit where he could legally get his hands cut off?

anyways, im pissed off. heres a link about his sterling career and history: http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2644.html

and heres one about his bust: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/P...orce_login=true

write the president, the prime minister and everybody else. stage rallies and put up posters.

Please...

hehe. whatever. better him than us. lets all go get baked.

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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Moonshoe]
    #4683813 - 09/20/05 05:31 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Canada has agreements that someone cannot assist in the violation of US law from the saftey of Canada and the US follows the same rule. There is good reason for that rule...although this is not one of them.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Moonshoe]
    #4683816 - 09/20/05 05:31 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think "they" are sending him to the US to be charged more harshly; rather, the US itself is trying to pull him here because Canadian marijuana laws are a joke.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Moonshoe]
    #4683844 - 09/20/05 05:36 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

wow thats fucked up, didn't used to run THC SeedS?


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Ravus]
    #4683888 - 09/20/05 05:45 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Ravus said:
I don't think "they" are sending him to the US to be charged more harshly; rather, the US itself is trying to pull him here because Canadian marijuana laws are a joke.




If you really believe more lienient marijuana laws are a joke, and the absurdly harsh marijuana laws of the U.S. are just... why are you a member here?


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Shdwstr]
    #4683911 - 09/20/05 05:48 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

He just needs justice. If he's found innocent, so be it, but if he's found guilty, he should be judged accordingly. The US is far superior for judging than Canada is for marijuana laws, so it'd almost be unjust to keep him in Canada.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Ravus]
    #4683954 - 09/20/05 05:54 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

WTF have you been smoking, fool?


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Ravus]
    #4683982 - 09/20/05 05:59 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

"what he needs is justice"

:rolleyes:

just wait until its you whose lifestyle has been judged illegal. if what the U.S calls justice is really justice, than people need it about as much as they need cancer.

think for a second man. do you really think selling plant seeds as medicine to terminally sick humans warrants being locked in a prison for the rest of your existance?

is that justice?

hopefully that was sarcasm


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4683990 - 09/20/05 05:59 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

the emery situation is outrageous. i hope the canadians view this as a wake up call, and decide once and for all that they can do better than the US government. if they kneel before the dea agents and suck their dicks on this one, who knows how far they'd be willing to go in the future.

keep marc in canada!

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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4684014 - 09/20/05 06:03 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I'm pretty sure Ravus has gone gimmick - like Ziddy in the old days.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: phi1618]
    #4684055 - 09/20/05 06:09 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

All I can say is Marc will forever be an Idol in the marijuana world... he will always be remembered for what he did do.  I think the US is fucked up with their laws and we should all plant some seeds in memory of Marc who lost the life he knew keeping us happy  :peace:


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: popnganja420]
    #4697887 - 09/23/05 07:26 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

For the latest about this story check out the forums on Marc Emery's own site: http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=extradite

Indeed it's an outrage. I hope more people will get the word out about this. It blows my mind how few people in America have even heard about the story. It seems the main stream media is too busy playing Weather Channel reporters to cover such little concerns as the extradition of weed smokers from across the borders.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Jammer]
    #4697905 - 09/23/05 07:29 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Why would American media care about Emery? Pot smokers are usually not held in high regard by most conservative Americans; they'd probably just see him as a drug dealer trying to operate in the gray zone by selling seeds instead of the herb itself.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Ravus]
    #4697934 - 09/23/05 07:32 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

No argument here. But, thankfully not all Americans are conservative.

Not all the American media is conservative either ('cept FoxNews  :grin:).


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Jammer]
    #4698775 - 09/23/05 09:25 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Jammer!

Long time no see. Great to have you back!



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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: popnganja420]
    #4699639 - 09/23/05 05:39 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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All I can say is Marc will forever be an Idol in the marijuana world...




Martyr is more like it. Sad but true.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Moonshoe]
    #4699909 - 09/23/05 07:00 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yah it's pretty fucking stupid.

However, and this might sound really insensitive, if he is sentenced to lets say LIFE IN PRISON then people will rally behind him. He will be like a martyr.

But yah it's pretty fucking stupid.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: phi1618]
    #4700099 - 09/23/05 07:36 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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phi1618 said:
I'm pretty sure Ravus has gone gimmick - like Ziddy in the old days.




100% right on the money.

People need to stop taking the bait.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Phred]
    #4700524 - 09/23/05 09:56 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Jammer!

Long time no see. Great to have you back!



Phred



Thanks!
('always great to stop by here!)  :smile:

I still check in here every once in awhile. In most of my spare time Im busy creating music.

I feel everyone here should stay up to date on Marc Emery. I mean. he was selling seeds for 11 years in the open. He paid taxes to the goverment of Canada, the people of Canada have voted time after time to legalize weed, and now the DEA storm troopers decide they can just walk over the border to drag him and some friends over to the U.S. for a crime that Canada has not enforced in many years! Marc faces ten years to life in prision for something the goverment of Canada has choose NOT to even prosecute over!

Marc did not get rich selling seeds. He rented his home and car. Marc donated almost ALL of his seed profits to fight the war on weed. The DEA has admited there glad they cut off such a major source of the money being donated to get weed legal. Just think about it- He was arrested for The United States of America with help from the goverment of Canada! Canadian cops were used to arrest a guy for America! Canada has made it clear they have NO problem with what Marc was doing.

Marc's theme has been to OUTGROW THE GOVERMENT- and I guess his idea has a lot of truth behind it. He sure got the dea's attention. I feel the DEA mainly wanted to cut off the source of money that was being gave to politicans in Canada and elsewhere. Without such money, weed may never be fully legal anywhere.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: afoaf]
    #4700613 - 09/23/05 10:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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afoaf said:
Quote:

phi1618 said:
I'm pretty sure Ravus has gone gimmick - like Ziddy in the old days.




100% right on the money.

People need to stop taking the bait.




Assuming Phi's right, of course, and that is quite the assumption.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: popnganja420]
    #4700729 - 09/23/05 10:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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popnganja420 said:
All I can say is Marc will forever be an Idol in the marijuana world... he will always be remembered for what he did do.  I think the US is fucked up with their laws and we should all plant some seeds in memory of Marc who lost the life he knew keeping us happy  :peace:




Yeah I will always remember him for what he did. He raped people on the prices of seeds. Probably by buying out all the stock of all the breeders then selling them for whatever he wanted too. Howcome when I go on Heavens Stairways page the same seed from the same seed bank is like a 1/4 of the price Marc Sells his for? So what that he gives his money to help legalize pot in Canada? Im in America and just want seeds for a fair price. I don't deal and really don't have any interest in having weed legalized because I never really bring heat to myself and I am way below the radar.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4700757 - 09/23/05 10:39 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Where does Heaven's Stairway's money go? I'd rather fund Emery's cause, because presumably it can help the whole world. Re-read the DEA's initial press release concerning helping the US.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: IgnatiusJReilly]
    #4700801 - 09/23/05 10:52 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Where does Heaven's Stairway's money go? I'd rather fund Emery's cause, because presumably it can help the whole world. Re-read the DEA's initial press release concerning helping the US.




Who cares where their money goes? They charge a fair price for a good product. I hope it goes into their pockets like it should. Marcs efforts are not focused on the world they are focused in Canada. If you haven't noticed Canada doesn't set much of an example for other countries in the world and they probably never will. By that I mean that their laws/actions don't take precendence and are not copied by other nations. When I wan't to help the cause I donate to NORML.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Jammer]
    #4700833 - 09/23/05 10:58 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Jammer said:
No argument here. But, thankfully not all Americans are conservative.



Conservatives and religious zealots are in the minority, regardless of how much power Republicans have in the country. Statistics show the majority, or at least half of Americans have experimented or are for the regulated legalization of marijuana.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: IgnatiusJReilly]
    #4700858 - 09/23/05 11:04 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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IgnatiusJReilly said:
Where does Heaven's Stairway's money go? I'd rather fund Emery's cause, because presumably it can help the whole world. Re-read the DEA's initial press release concerning helping the US.





How much of Marc's money goes to fund legalization campaigns? How much does he pay himself?


I don't know, but...
This could be like that long-distance phone scam, where the company donates a portion of their profits to liberal organizations. Sure, they donate money, but they charge alot more for phone service. If you really want to help the cause, you'll buy your phone service from the cheapest provider and donate the difference to an organization you care about - your money will go 10-100 times as far that way.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Moonshoe]
    #4701460 - 09/24/05 01:31 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

IMO he makes pot advocates look bad....


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4701913 - 09/24/05 03:09 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

???

You're not talking about Emery, are you?

He's done more for the drug culture than anyone!

Sure he's got his faults, but what the hell? You need Ghandi to lead a movement or you're not happy?

Before Emery, it was illegal to even promote the abolishment of prohibition.

Marc Emery's victories for civil liberty in Canada are numerous, not all have to do with marijuana either. Marc Emery's efforts rolled back Canadian censorship laws considerably.

About 14 years ago, I was sitting in a London courtroom when a rather agitated Crown attorney asked Marc Emery if he'd ever urinated into a woman's mouth


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4702182 - 09/24/05 04:19 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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QuantumMeltdown said:
Who cares where their money goes? They charge a fair price for a good product. I hope it goes into their pockets like it should.



Yah what a fucking idiot... giving away money to a good cause. Man that pisses me off. How dare he sell something illegal for something other than monetary gain.

Quote:

QuantumMeltdown said:
When I wan't to help the cause I donate to NORML.



Like every stoner is going to donate to NORML/MAPS. Not realistic. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4702229 - 09/24/05 04:26 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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adjust said:
Like every stoner is going to donate to NORML/MAPS. Not realistic.




Stop being so cynical.

I'm sure that all of our beloved stoner friends occassionally get a spurt of inspiration which causes them to rise from the couch, scrounge around for some change, and send whatever they can into NORML.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4702254 - 09/24/05 04:33 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

fuck norml... 30 years of taking donations, and they've accomplished nada... give yer money to MAPS, or better yet, shroomery or erowid...


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4702292 - 09/24/05 04:46 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yah I would reccomend MAPS, it's almost like a magazine subscription with the benefits of donation to drug research.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: phi1618]
    #4702316 - 09/24/05 04:58 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure Ravus has gone gimmick - like Ziddy in the old days.




Ravus has a good sense of satire as opposed to most people who take parody literally.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Unagipie]
    #4702322 - 09/24/05 05:01 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Unagipie said:
Quote:

phi1618 said:
I'm pretty sure Ravus has gone gimmick - like Ziddy in the old days.




Ravus has a good sense of satire as opposed to most people who take parody literally.




A radical muslim homo is just a little too irksome for us stick-in-the-mud types.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4702344 - 09/24/05 05:06 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

No need to be a stick in the mud


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4704790 - 09/24/05 08:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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adjust said:
Quote:

QuantumMeltdown said:
Who cares where their money goes? They charge a fair price for a good product. I hope it goes into their pockets like it should.



Yah what a fucking idiot... giving away money to a good cause. Man that pisses me off. How dare he sell something illegal for something other than monetary gain.



Thats the way I see it too. Marc has a GREAT vision, and a plan that has (so far) been much more effective than counting on pot heads to freely donate their $$ to the cause.

Honestly, Marc is a hero. Has any other single pot head managed to give away such a high amount of cash to this cause? What impressed me is how things have changed in Canada since Marc started his seed business. When he first started geting involved it was ileagle in Canada to buy/sell a HIGH TIMES MAG!! - Now we have a situation where the voters have spoken and politician campaigns are funded with money from Marc's seed business. Who cares if the seeds were over priced? Heck ANY pot seed should be free anyway... it's not like dealers run around selling pot seeds on the streets. After all, what there REALLY selling are the genectics that allow people to grow a high quality crop in their closets- and that does not sit well with the DEA.

Marc was pissing off the dea with his atitude about Over Growing The Goverment (they said this). Why? Because his plan had some teeth to it. With all the cash being funneled into weed-legalizing efforts (what the DEA calls "money laundering") AND millions of growers obtaining state of the art plant-genes that produce the highest THC content ever heard of- we have a big loser for the DEA. Not to mention what a slap in the face the DEA gets when they see this going on in the open by their biggest trading partner next door. They will stop at nothing to halt the progress!

Dont underestimate the impact of those high quality seeds on the weed market. When a grower can freely and openly shop for whatever type of seed he needs for outdoor/indoor gardens that translates to more high quality herb on the market for the smokers. I know that in my area the buds have got steadly better over the past few years.

I think Marc had a lot to do with the amount of high quality bud being grown around the world... and I think Marc has done more to move the legalzation movment forward than anyone else in the world. Sure, many of the seed strains were developed elsewhere- but Marc made them much easier for growers to get. If things were to stay this easy for the growers, there would obviosly be even less the DEA could do to continue their war upon our freedom. We owe much of what we have now to Marc.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Jammer]
    #4704885 - 09/24/05 08:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Dude he's just as guilty as Bill Gates is except he donates his money to legalize pot in Canada. The majority of his customers don't even live in Canada or else they would most likely be starting of with clones. Why should we care what happens with the legalization in Canada? It's not like the US will follow their example anyways. Marc held a monopoly over the market by buying out all the breeders and charging ludicrous prices for his seeds. I'm glad his out of the game.


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    #4704997 - 09/24/05 09:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude he's just as guilty as Bill Gates is except he donates his money to legalize pot in Canada. The majority of his customers don't even live in Canada or else they would most likely be starting of with clones. Why should we care what happens with the legalization in Canada? It's not like the US will follow their example anyways. Marc held a monopoly over the market by buying out all the breeders and charging ludicrous prices for his seeds. I'm glad his out of the game.




Man, I never expected that kind of remark from a member of this site. Just what side are you on in the drug war anyway? I guess I'm reminded why I stoped surfing to this site as much as I used too.

To compare Marc Emery to Bill Gates is obsurd. If you look into the public records of Marc Emery you will find he has nothing to hide. He operated in the open, paid taxes to the goverment of Canada- In SPITE of Canada law. Of corse he is guilty of breaking weed-laws! Like how the heck are we supposed to get things legalized if we dont break the law? I supposed we all could take the atitude of High Times magazine, and sorta hide behind some fake buds and pretend things will change with us doing nothing.

Who cares how much he charged for seeds? Ya cant afford 'em?- Dont Buy 'em! It blows my mind that his price on seeds were even an issue with anybody... shesh. What do you expect from a person taking on the risk of life in prision? A discount?

Why should Americans care about what happens in Canada? Because OUR goverment is telling another goverment what to do! Canada has no problem with Marc- Why should America have the right to go over there and use Canada's cops to arrest him to be tried over here???

Man, I miss the times when people on this site shared the same vision. I guess I'm reminded why I dont post here very often these days. Somewhere over the years The Shroomery lossed it's vision.... After all, were all criminals here. This forum is about the politics of drugs, and here of all places I would not of expected such a conservative sounding atitude.

Do many others here share your opinion of not giving a shit or wishing to see Marc extradited and sent to prision? 'cause I'm really curious how wide spread your views are here.  :smirk:


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Jammer]
    #4705270 - 09/24/05 10:16 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Do many others here share your opinion of not giving a shit or wishing to see Marc extradited and sent to prision? 'cause I'm really curious how wide spread your views are here.  :smirk:



I don't, everyone else in this thread doesn't either. I think he just wants a rise out of people. Do you really think that if Canada had legal pot this would have no effect whatsoever on the US???? WTF MAN?! The US would be so flooded with Canadian pot 1) THE PRICE WOULD DROP DRAMATICALLY 2) THE DEA WOUDN'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT 3)PEOPLE WOULD SEE WHAT A WASTE IT IS TO BE SPENDING TAX DOLLARS TO POLICE POT


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4705307 - 09/24/05 10:24 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

4) The US would take some extreme actions against Canada. I don't know what exactly the US would do, but it would never sit by and let one of its neighbors legalize a psychologically addictive drug without taking serious actions.


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    #4705404 - 09/24/05 10:43 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

5) Canada cuts off all trade with the US. US goes into severe depression due to constant blackouts, lack of potash, uranium, nickel and many other minerals, oil, lumber, grain to feed your billion or so livestock and water. :grin:


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    #4705452 - 09/24/05 10:53 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

True, but Canada would suffer also; the US would never stand by and take that, even to the extent of possible military actions against Canada. There's too much at risk for Canada over a single intoxicating herb, so until the US becomes more libertarian on the issue, I doubt Canada will legalize it.


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    #4705496 - 09/24/05 10:59 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I also doubt they will legalize it. However there is some cooperation between the law and dealers in Canada, especially in small towns where the main industry is growing MJ. So in effect it is practically legal in certain parts of the country, mainly BC.

But considering what Marc Emery has done, which is get people to grow their own--ie eliminate organized crime from the loop, I don't think whatever sentence he gets will be fair. He will most likely just be made an example of, which is bullshit.


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    #4705665 - 09/24/05 11:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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However there is some cooperation between the law and dealers in Canada, especially in small towns where the main industry is growing MJ. So in effect it is practically legal in certain parts of the country, mainly BC.




Heck, this goes on in the mountains of eastern kentucky as well. The police stage small-time outdoor busts while the REAL growers (who are well known) are allowed to stay in business.


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    #4705785 - 09/24/05 11:56 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude he's just as guilty as Bill Gates is except he donates his money to legalize pot in Canada. The majority of his customers don't even live in Canada or else they would most likely be starting of with clones. Why should we care what happens with the legalization in Canada? It's not like the US will follow their example anyways. Marc held a monopoly over the market by buying out all the breeders and charging ludicrous prices for his seeds. I'm glad his out of the game.





Man, I never expected that kind of remark from a member of this site. Just what side are you on in the drug war anyway? I guess I'm reminded why I stoped surfing to this site as much as I used too.

To compare Marc Emery to Bill Gates is obsurd. If you look into the public records of Marc Emery you will find he has nothing to hide. He operated in the open, paid taxes to the goverment of Canada- In SPITE of Canada law. Of corse he is guilty of breaking weed-laws! Like how the heck are we supposed to get things legalized if we dont break the law? I supposed we all could take the atitude of High Times magazine, and sorta hide behind some fake buds and pretend things will change with us doing nothing.

Who cares how much he charged for seeds? Ya cant afford 'em?- Dont Buy 'em! It blows my mind that his price on seeds were even an issue with anybody... shesh. What do you expect from a person taking on the risk of life in prision? A discount?

Why should Americans care about what happens in Canada? Because OUR goverment is telling another goverment what to do! Canada has no problem with Marc- Why should America have the right to go over there and use Canada's cops to arrest him to be tried over here???

Man, I miss the times when people on this site shared the same vision. I guess I'm reminded why I dont post here very often these days. Somewhere over the years The Shroomery lossed it's vision.... After all, were all criminals here. This forum is about the politics of drugs, and here of all places I would not of expected such a conservative sounding atitude.

Do many others here share your opinion of not giving a shit or wishing to see Marc extradited and sent to prision? 'cause I'm really curious how wide spread your views are here.  :smirk:




Well dude maybe were glad you don't post here anymore. If you don't wan't to stop by don't just because there are others with opinions that differ from you own should not scare you off. I can compare Marc to Bill Gates. Bill sold all his shit out in the open and paid taxes just like Marc, they both held a monopoly over their market.

Why should I care how much he sells his seeds for? Because it affects the rest of the markets prices. How many seeds have you bought from canada jammer? Just because I can't afford the price he chooses to charge means I don't deserve to buy them? Heavens Stairway sells the same seeds for a quarter of the price that he does. Marc buys all the stock and tries to put everyone else out of buisness.

USA isn't forcing Canada to do anything just because they are doing what we ask just goes to show that they are weak. They should have stood up for what their laws represent.

The shroomery hasn't lost its vision now it just has more diversity afterall you are in the PA&L forum if you wanted to talk to all left wing loons why don't you go to cindysheehan.com? I think what Marc has done to the seed buisness under the guise of activism is rediculous.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4705965 - 09/25/05 12:34 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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USA isn't forcing Canada to do anything just because they are doing what we ask just goes to show that they are weak. They should have stood up for what their laws represent.



What is that supposed to mean? The law in canada clearly says that mj is illegal. Possession of small amounts has been decriminalized mostly because they don't want to waste money in court (and instead you just pay a fine). I know for a fact pretty much the same thing occurs in certain states (weed tickets) except the fines are a lot higher.


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    #4706180 - 09/25/05 01:19 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Your opinion simply makes no sence for a member of a drug site. This isnt an pro-dea site dude.. Perhaps you got confused.

Maybe the DEA would love to have you on their side, in seeing you both want Marc locked up. From what I can gather, your view is NOT a popular view of the members here. Unless things have changed since I was a mod here, this is not a DEA site.

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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: Jammer]
    #4706338 - 09/25/05 02:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I.) Emery's seeds were

a.) Overpriced

and

b.)Shitty

There's just no denying that.


II.) The people who bought his seeds were either

a.) Knowingly donating to a cause

or

b.) Dumbass "stupid consumer" type potheads like the kind who have historically just been dead weight for the legalization movement.

I really can't see too much fault in his strategy. It was a little shady, but he really did enough good that his karma is clean in my book.


I never really liked him as a seed dealer, but I support him as a victim of the W.O.D.

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    #4707715 - 09/25/05 08:21 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I.) Emery's seeds were

a.) Overpriced

and

b.)Shitty

There's just no denying that.


II.) The people who bought his seeds were either

a.) Knowingly donating to a cause

or

b.) Dumbass "stupid consumer" type potheads like the kind who have historically just been dead weight for the legalization movement.

I really can't see too much fault in his strategy. It was a little shady, but he really did enough good that his karma is clean in my book.


I never really liked him as a seed dealer, but I support him as a victim of the W.O.D.

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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4708329 - 09/25/05 11:22 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i went to a rally about a week ago. there were many others held all over the world i believe. i didnt stay for the whole thing cuz it got cold and i had to go home anyways but ya.


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    #4711227 - 09/26/05 04:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Of course, that's not to say that there weren't a few satisfied customers out there.


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    #4712225 - 09/26/05 07:54 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

yah, i heard the dea got a bunch of his satisfied customers...


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    #4712263 - 09/26/05 08:03 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I have been reading up on the Emery case the last half hour, this is what I've found out:

1. He's out on bail.

2. Not just him but most of the top guys involved in his seed/webTV/website were also arrested.

3. It doesn't look very likely that Emery will be extradited. Some of the higher ups around here have been associating with him (leader of the NDP, Jack Layton, mayor of vancouver, etc).

4. ...PLUS, he has never hidden what he does. When he files his income taxes he declares his business as selling MJ seeds. The government has accepted this money from him!

5. The money laundering charges are all bullshit. In effect what they're calling money laundering is really donation of money to non-profit organizations and campaign money for politicians.


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4712415 - 09/26/05 08:33 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i think he'll be extradited...

afaik, he's not charged with anything of consequence in canada, so canadian non-enforcement is a non issue, and will not protect him from charges in the US

he never tried to hide what he did, which makes him a huge thorn in the side of DEA... They will eventually get him, just like they got ed rosenthal

they got noriega without a huge fuss...

others who have been charged with conspiracy on US drug charges for things thy did outside of the US have been extradited, albeit not from canada

others who have tried to flee to canada from us drug charges have not as yet been successful in gaining assylum

mark Emery's major crime, according to the DEA, is aiding and abetting felony cultivation within the US... he provided seeds, grow info, fertilizer, in other words he was involved heavily in illegal growing...

what i fear is the implications this case will have on canadian spore suppliers, who, perhaps following the lead of Maek Emery, make a killing selling spores to those who live in CA,GA and ID...


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    #4712463 - 09/26/05 08:43 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

IDaho?


Don't you mean OHio?


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    #4712501 - 09/26/05 08:51 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

nah, idaho... happened last year...


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Re: Marc Emery... what a fucking outrage [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4712572 - 09/26/05 09:09 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You are right, he is not charged with anything in Canada. The only time he spent any time in jail was in Saskatchewan after a talk at U of S (which I attended).

I am not really the brightest lightbulb, I'm also not sure if there is some kind of treaty which Canada must automatically comply with in extraditing him. I do have a good sense of the general mood surrounding Emery, kind of like a hero. A lot of it is just bullshit, but some of it is true. Like the fact that Emery basically owns nothing.

If there is some way of blocking his extradition I can almost guarantee our government will do it. Don't these DEA fucks understand what they're doing? Just look at what happenned after PF got shut down.


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    #4712606 - 09/26/05 09:22 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

if he was charged with something- anything really, in canada, canada would have a case for keeping him there until the case went to trial... mark could delay that trial indefinitely with motions and appeals...


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    #4712650 - 09/26/05 09:34 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Aren't they illegal in Ohio too?


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    #4712662 - 09/26/05 09:39 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i don't think so... i'm not up on current spore law though...


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