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OfflineCrobih
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When will sporevendors realize that......
    #323129 - 05/22/01 08:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

supporting FSR they are not supporting anything more than private bussines from ralph44.

It is now funny that ralph has in his sig. addresses from those vendors, but notfrom his own.
For now he is affraid of being bashed. But if you look at other sites youll see that ralph has allready his address. But in those places hes reputation is stronger. And sooner or later there wil be only FSR addres, because he wont need you anymore. ( this moment would be very close ifthere was no posts like this).

And have to say that only cap max never bought any of those shit. Congrats.

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: Crobih]
    #323135 - 05/22/01 09:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Crobih.. Are you sure that Ralph doesn't exchange the promotional spot in his sig for spors from the vendors? Seems like a nice way for vendors to get some publicity out of an immobile inventory.

Also, I seriously doubt that Ralph needs the contributions from the vendors. There are many enthusiasts in the community that 'give back' through the FSR.

I respect your opinion. Further, if there's something you think is not right about Ralph's vendor relations, why not just ask him about it? An open discussion would help everyone get a better understanding of the FSR.

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: egghead]
    #323167 - 05/22/01 10:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Open discussion? You mean 'open promotion'?

the fsr is nothing more than a front for his print business. I wonder how often someone asks for a free ptrint and he says 'sorry, we're out right now, we just have the ones you can buy.'

I wonder how many of those prints he is selling were donated by the fsr people.

his so-called webpage for the fsr is nothing more than a list of prints for sale!
i think there is one line that mentions anything about free..and he's making a small profit on those as well!

What a scammer! The SporeLab will never donate to him. It's not like he's 'giving' them to the poor or hungry.

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: Crobih]
    #323168 - 05/22/01 10:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well its simple really, Ralph has 2 seperate entities, the FSR which are the $1 prints he recieves and distributes (much from his own stock.) and then the small vendor business which he sells quality prints he aquired.....

Its not like Ralph takes donated prints and sells them, those go for $1, and from what Ralph says much of what he sells for that $1 has been of his own prints.... I don't know anyone that would not only spread so many spores for next to nothing and still get some backlash.... What does he have to do to make people appreciate his efforts?!?

If anyone thinks a free spore ring will put the spore vendors out of business then you are wrong.... They can and will co-exist, even the vendors seem to agree, well except for one....

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I would never write this post unless there was me targeted on ralphs insinuations.


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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: Thor]
    #323204 - 05/22/01 12:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

As far as I am concerned, I like what Ralph is doing. He is giving people another option. He isn't moving so many prints that he is putting anyone out of business.
There will always be a market for syringes simply because it is a lot of work to make viable syringes and not everyone is going to be willing to put out the cash or the time to make their own. Most people eventually try their hand at making them.
I like to hear when people succeed.


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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: 3Mshroom]
    #323212 - 05/22/01 12:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Why is that every time one argument get's done another one has to start---example--CapMax,Mcman,spore vendors(regularly)and Mcman vs. Ryche--Ralphster44--Grow up people when are you morons going to start using this board for what it was ment to be used for??

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: McMan]
    #323222 - 05/22/01 12:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: ]
    #323311 - 05/22/01 02:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Why not open your own version of the FSR if it bothers you so much. Ralphster44 only gives one print away at the $ price per individual. If you gave one at that price I'm sure grateful individuals would give back to you as well. Remember an earlier post in which someone asked you to give away syringes to FSR. Of course given the tension between the 2 of you, you wouldn't. Why not do it on your own? I've given up on people too, but thats why I'm here. So I can remember. Sure Ralphster44 may make a buck. Do you think poor people care when he is leaving them an extra $10 bucks or so to spend on a care of jars? He seems to be smart and kind enough to realize this. Enough (_l_) kissing. Bye Capt.



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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: them_26]
    #323410 - 05/22/01 04:31 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Why in the world would anyone have something against free spores? Yes, running the free spore ring was a great way for Ralphster to get free spores from all over the world. And its also a great way for everyone esle to get free spores from all over the world.

The honest vendors will never go out of style...why? becuase they contribute to the community, have great customer service, and constanltly are developing new strains. Without the work these vendors do, we would have many less strains. I am speaking specifically of the sporeworks. Im sure im going to be accused of being a sock puppet for supporting anyone at all....but they are the most consistent spore vendor with excellent quality products. Ryche is a close second too!

Ralphster's FSR is wonderful for trying new strains and building a collection of spores....becuase of it i get to try pan trops, tazmanians, cambodians and many more. I still contintue to order from the ryche and the sporeworks though, because I like the assurance that whatever happens, I will be protected. I am relatively inexperienced at making syringes from prints. I can brush up on that skill using my FSR prints, while making spawn from spore vendor syringes just in case they don't work. I like the option to buy both.

Get the broom outa yer butt....

Edited by oOjonahOo on 05/22/01 05:05 PM.



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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: oOjonahOo]
    #323419 - 05/22/01 04:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

oOjonahOo has pointed out the point I have stressed before. it does help people to give them the chance to learn the cheap way. I still order from vendors myself, as well as getting a few from FSR, which mostly I end up giving away to someone in dir need anyway. it is all good. we all contribute in one form are another to the spread of spores, from vendors to individuals, make no difference. happy shrooming all.

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: Taz]
    #323423 - 05/22/01 04:43 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I say a good spore is a free spore, period. It was worth it to buy spores, but in the end, we shouldn't charge anyone for them in the first place.

Nothing of what I say is a personal matter. All cultivation questions are on behalf of counterparts who risk growing. I take no responsibility in being the messenger.


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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: oOjonahOo]
    #323459 - 05/22/01 05:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I don't give a damn what he does with his spores. I just want hime to keep his troll posts out of my threads. If I announce a new strain, I don't need him replying with some trollish remark. Nobody needs his negativity.
And he should try hunting down his own strains. You think some of these vendors travel the world in search of new strains, at considerable cost and time, jsut so he can give it away for free?
It's pretty hard to 'patent' a strain but the established dealers do honour each other a bit.

Also, to call a web page a 'free spore ring' page and then you go there and its full of prints for $10, that is very dishonest and I don't care if there is something for 'free' if you read the fine print, its a sneaky, sleazy way of attracting people to your page.

And who wants to deal with dishonest, sneaky people?

There are too many kids with nothing more than a cash register calling themselves vendors.
Some of them I wonder if they have even grown thier first shroom yet.

My web page consists of enviromental reports, picture galleries of dozens of wild shroom species, all taken by myself. The Elphinstone Mycological Society, our own 'home teks', informative reports on commercial mushroom adventures up north, rare strains and species available only through the SporeLab, these are the markings of a vendor with credibility.

Others only have a price list.

And I did not start this thread.

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: ]
    #323506 - 05/22/01 06:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

"And who wants to deal with dishonest, sneaky people? " coughthetruthcough

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: oOjonahOo]
    #323512 - 05/22/01 06:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Hey soul,
I think your sense of logic is worse than mine if you're telling "me" to get the broom out of my butt. I say this because your reply was to my name(though I see people click the last one alot). What led you to say that? The fact that I believe Ralphster44 makes a buck?
So what.
I am one of the many who, like yourself, am grateful for what he does. I am one of the poor who needs him in order to have the $10 to buy a case of jars ($7.07 at Wal Mart). Though, (yes Max) I am still buying a print from him as well. I was lucky enough to be one of the MushMush winners and if you look at my post in either the submission for entries or notification of winners you will see that if a broom was up my (_l_) I would be in to much pain to get off it and contribute. All I'm stating is the facts. And Max, you are wrong about ralphster44 saying "sorry, we only have the ones you can buy right now."
Also, I meant even just kicking out a free empty syringe
would be kind. Hell, if you'd kick me a couple of empty syringes I'd be happy to make up for it down the line. Of course, Karma had to come down on me hard in order to make me think about how business isn't always just business





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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: ]
    #323515 - 05/22/01 06:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

...Nobody needs his negativity...
HA!
LOL!
Are you sure you are not talking about you?
Or can?t you handle the Truth?

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: ]
    #323546 - 05/22/01 06:43 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Capt.. True, you did not start this post, but you could definitely hold your own in a point/counter-point discussion of the topic. I'd like to try summarizing your concerns about the FSR. Chances are that it's not a panacea, nothing ever is. Let's just get the info out so folks can know the pros & cons of the FSR. Then everyone can make an informed decision about whether or not it's right for them.

FSR Cons (extracted from Cpts post)
- vendor undermines other vendors product announcements
- doesn't do its own research (finding new strains)
- undermines the market value of unique vendor strains
- has misleading advertising
- shares web space w/ a commercial venture
- vendor sneaky/dishonest
- vendor young and an inexperienced cultivator
- lacks informative, educational material on its website

Capt.. I wouldn't presume to speak for you. So if you could add to/edit these points and repost, perhaps Ralph can address them concerns and make his own counter points.

OR.. Crobih.. You've been awful quite. Care to take point in the debate?

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    #323560 - 05/22/01 07:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: When will sporevendors realize that...... [Re: ralphster44]
    #323578 - 05/22/01 07:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

well said Ralph, I hope now that all will see what's up with the FSR. I see ya at the contest peace bro.

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