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Non-debatable points about Bush's term
    #3220885 - 10/06/04 12:34 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

1. Took an enormous financial surplus to a record deficit.

2. Oil prices at all-time high.

3. War in Iraq is still escalating in terms of deaths and violence.

4. Unemployment and poverty much higher than when Bush took over.

5. Country has not been this divided over issues since the Civil War. ("I am a uniter, not a divider." G.W. Bush)


Extrapolate this out for another four years and it is not a pretty picture.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: Swami]
    #3220921 - 10/06/04 12:41 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Swami said:
1. Took an enormous financial surplus to a record deficit.



Some would argue that 9/11 is responsible for this.

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5. Country has not been this divided over issues since the Civil War. ("I am a uniter, not a divider." G.W. Bush)



What about Vietnam?


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: Swami]
    #3220955 - 10/06/04 12:47 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Bush is bad news I don't see how anyone can argue the fact. And the real point is, He had his chance for 4 damn years let the next asshole have a chance.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: silversoul7]
    #3220977 - 10/06/04 12:51 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Some would argue that 9/11 is responsible for this



Why do people think that 9-11 was the first terrorist attack? It wasnt even the first terrorist attack on the wtc. The majority of the defecit is because of the tax cuts for the wealthy. The Iraq invasion and homeland security account for less than the tax cuts.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: 1stimer]
    #3221101 - 10/06/04 01:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Tax cuts don't cause deficits. Excessive spending does.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: Swami]
    #3221105 - 10/06/04 01:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The 'surplus' was an accounting gimmick, however this does not negate the fact of record deficits.

I researched employment levels in relation to population a couple of months ago and could find no figures to support the contention that actual unemployment had increased (much to my surprise). Granted, I was looking at official government figures - but employment and population figures not 'unemployment' figures. I even tried adding in prison population numbers to total population (but these numbers were not as current as the others). If you have anything which contradicts this, please show us.

The 'poverty level' has been adjusted upwards, by changing the definition of poverty, walla!... a higher poverty level. The government will never solve poverty, it is a reason for the continuance of government programs. Didn't Johnson start a 'war on poverty'?


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: silversoul7]
    #3221107 - 10/06/04 01:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

tax cuts + excessive spending cause even higher defecits.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: Skikid16]
    #3221174 - 10/06/04 01:41 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Tax cuts without concurrent spending cuts are in reality a shifting of the tax burden - hidden in inflation (because government debt instruments are bought with newly created fiat currency) as well as a curse of taxes on the future earnings of those who will be paying taxes when the IOUs become due.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: Evolving]
    #3221180 - 10/06/04 01:43 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, that's what I'm saying, but without your big, fancy words. :grin:


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: Skikid16]
    #3221190 - 10/06/04 01:45 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hey... I think the biggest word I used was only eleven letters.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: Evolving]
    #3221208 - 10/06/04 01:48 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Oh damn you sticklers for facts and figures......

AHHHHHHH, scotch scotch scotch, I love scotch, scotchy scotchy scotch.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: 1stimer]
    #3221255 - 10/06/04 01:56 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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The majority of the defecit is because of the tax cuts for the wealthy.




I will second the point that was made earlier that tax cuts do not cause defecits but runaway unchecked spending does. Here is a table of tax receipts for the last 10 years or so, in billions,per each quarter:

Quote:

1992 01 88459.1
1992 02 00468.0
1992 03 44477.2
1992 04 55496.8
1993 01 00481.4
1993 02 44502.8
1993 03 55511.7
1993 04 55526.1
1994 01 77523.3
1994 02 33553.7
1994 03 77542.3
1994 04 11551.4
1995 01 00564.6
1995 02 22590.6
1995 03 11586.8
1995 04 66601.8
1996 01 22631.3
1996 02 22668.1
1996 03 99669.2
1996 04 11685.2
1997 01 99718.0
1997 02 22733.5
1997 03 99751.8
1997 04 66774.0
1998 01 77796.1
1998 02 44816.5
1998 03 22836.3
1998 04 99854.5
1999 01 77864.1
1999 02 11879.7
1999 03 22899.5
1999 04 88928.7
2000 01 11975.4
2000 02 66987.4
2000 03 71011.7
2000 04 61021.7
2001 01 31047.3
2001 02 81045.7
2001 03 88881.0
2001 04 11004.1
2002 01 66846.9
2002 02 55835.6
2002 03 22824.4
2002 04 11817.7
2003 01 88809.6
2003 02 22811.6
2003 03 11709.2
2003 04 33772.5
2004 01 88768.3
2004 02 66779.9




At the current rate , 2004 will be a record setting year for tax receipts to the federal government. That right there alone should prove that tax cuts are not the source of our defecit woes. The tax cuts have actualy increased revenues to the federal coffers.

It is the spending side of the equation that is the culprit.


Edited by hound (10/06/04 01:57 AM)


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: hound]
    #3221267 - 10/06/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

where did the money come from that americans recieved from the tax rebates?


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: 1stimer]
    #3221274 - 10/06/04 01:58 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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where did the money come from that americans recieved from the tax rebates?



Their own pockets.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: silversoul7]
    #3221284 - 10/06/04 02:00 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

So the mail box is considered a pocket? It came from the government.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: 1stimer]
    #3221293 - 10/06/04 02:01 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Where did the government get the money?


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: 1stimer]
    #3221304 - 10/06/04 02:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Rebates... rebates... you get rebates AFTER you've paid taxes - it's getting some of what you paid, back.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: silversoul7]
    #3221308 - 10/06/04 02:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Off of the money presses.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: 1stimer]
    #3221343 - 10/06/04 02:13 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Off of the money presses.



Please tell me you're not that stupid. While the government may be printing more money than it takes in, a tax cut means they are giving back money which was already taken in.


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Re: Non-debatable points about Bush's term [Re: Swami]
    #3221371 - 10/06/04 02:21 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Swami said:


2. Oil prices at all-time high.






I don't know how you can blame that one on Bush. Worldwide demand for crude oil has increased dramaticaly, especialy in China. There has problems with the supply side with attacks on pipelines and the perception that these acts will happen again. And don't forget about the effects that Yukos (sic) the Russian company has had on the markets.


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