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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Glimpses assumed of the beyond perception - Many give testimony in the varied experience, ego death, meditative absorptions, and times of a comprehensive fullness (of peace). Only something of the nature of peace (sattva) can be that. I suppose deep sleep could be said to be beyond perception. We all have it daily. Sleep, at least sitting up in sleep, is said to be a tamasic samadhi, tamas the lowest quality, but samadhi nevertheless.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:
Perhaps the meaning's connected to perception which subsides in oneness or purity of mind



perception gives way to creation...


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When no perception stands between God and His creations, or between His children and their own, the knowledge of creation must continue forever. ²The reflections you accept into the mirror of your mind in time but bring eternity nearer or farther. ³But eternity itself is beyond all time. ⁴Reach out of time and touch it, with the help of its reflection in you. ⁵And you will turn from time to holiness, as surely as the reflection of holiness calls everyone to lay all guilt aside. ⁶Reflect the peace of Heaven here, and bring this world to Heaven. ⁷For the reflection of truth draws everyone to truth, and as they enter into it they leave all reflections behind.




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In Christ’s sight, the world and God’s creation meet, and as they come together all perception disappears. ⁴His kindly sight redeems the world from death, for nothing that He looks on but must live, remembering the Father and the Son; Creator and creation unified.




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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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maybe gurus are reflections of truth. As are mantras, divine images, scripture, inspiration of any kind, acts of love


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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It's odd because creation would be thought of as perceptual, even if in oneness, it's not only unmanifest. We just become pregnant with the Self. There is a condition called kumbak which means retention of breath, also as the belly gets distended, said with the prana.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Sry image hard to see w dark background.

The spaces between are not forced, can be in particular exercise, but in the meditation just allowed to expand, breathing, mind suspended. It's amazing how witnessing the breath can change it, serving to properly oxygenate the body, then suited for stillness.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:
It's odd because creation would be thought of as perceptual




Yes there's something going on here that our human conditioning is blocking us from grokking. A total grok-block, as they say lol.

I think it's some kind of inversion that must take place.

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A miracle inverts perception which was upside down before, and thus it ends the strange distortions that were manifest.





But from your visual, I see you are hinting that perhaps there is a cycle taking place. Unmanifest to Manifest, and back again. Perhaps ACIM is refining our experience of that cycle? I've speculated before that the words in ACIM are not necessarily dogmatic truth. They could be transmissions meant to evolve us.


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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Perhaps just closing our eyes to find something is a miracle for one thing. Leading with buddhi over manas; purpose with something lit.

"the words in ACIM are not necessarily dogmatic truth. They could be transmissions meant to evolve us."

But we're admonished about considering it too vague, that it's a reflection. Oh maybe a good search term.


Edited by syncro (10/19/26 08:14 PM)

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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some search results on 'vague'

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What you perceive as its attack is your own vague recognition that knowledge can always be remembered, never having been destroyed.



wait, what?

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The ability to perceive made the body possible, because you must perceive _something_ and _with_ something. ²That is why perception involves an exchange or translation, which knowledge does not need. ³The interpretative function of perception, a distorted form of creation, then permits you to interpret the body as yourself in an attempt to escape from the conflict you have induced. ⁴Spirit, which knows, could not be reconciled with this loss of power, because it is incapable of darkness. ⁵This makes spirit almost inaccessible to the mind and entirely inaccessible to the body. ⁶Thereafter, spirit is perceived as a threat, because light abolishes darkness merely by showing you it is not there. ⁷Truth will always overcome error in this way. ⁸This cannot be an active process of correction because, as I have already emphasized, knowledge does not do anything. ⁹It can be perceived as an attacker, but it cannot attack. ¹⁰What you perceive as its attack is your own vague recognition that knowledge can always be remembered, never having been destroyed.



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A vague and usually unstable sense of identification has generally been reached, but tends to be blurred by a deep-rooted sense of sin.



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Eyes become used to darkness, and the light of brilliant day seems painful to the eyes grown long accustomed to the dim effects perceived at twilight. ²And they turn away from sunlight and the clarity it brings to what they look upon. ³Dimness seems better; easier to see, and better recognized. ⁴Somehow the vague and more obscure seems easier to look upon; less painful to the eyes than what is wholly clear and unambiguous. ⁵Yet this is not what eyes are for, and who can say that he prefers the darkness and maintain he wants to see?



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The concept of the self has always been the great preoccupation of the world. ²And everyone believes that he must find the answer to the riddle of himself. ³Salvation can be seen as nothing more than the escape from concepts. ⁴It does not concern itself with content of the mind, but with the simple statement that it thinks. ⁵And what can think has choice, and can be shown that different thoughts have different consequence. ⁶So it can learn that everything it thinks reflects the deep confusion that it feels about how it was made and what it is. ⁷And vaguely does the concept of the self appear to answer what it does not know.



Edited by syncro (10/19/26 08:31 PM)

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Not finding the text about finding it unclear, but have other results on 'clear', long list.

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A clear distinction between what is created and what is made is essential. ²All forms of healing rest on this fundamental correction in level perception.



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I do not foster level confusion, but you must choose to correct it. ²You would not excuse insane behavior on your part by saying you could not help it. ³Why should you condone insane thinking? ⁴There is a confusion here that you would do well to look at clearly. ⁵You may believe that you are responsible for what you do, but not for what you think. ⁶The truth is that you are responsible for what you think, because it is only at this level that you can exercise choice. ⁷What you do comes from what you think. ⁸You cannot separate yourself from the truth by “giving” autonomy to behavior. ⁹This is controlled by me automatically as soon as you place what you think under my guidance. ¹⁰Whenever you are afraid, it is a sure sign that you have allowed your mind to miscreate and have not allowed me to guide it.



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The Bible tells you to know yourself, or to be certain. ²Certainty is always of God. ³When you love someone you have perceived him as he is, and this makes it possible for you to know him. ⁴Until you first perceive him as he is you cannot know him. ⁵While you ask questions about him you are clearly implying that you do not know God. ⁶Certainty does not require action. ⁷When you say you are acting on the basis of knowledge, you are really confusing knowledge with perception. ⁸Knowledge provides the strength for creative thinking, but not for right doing. ⁹Perception, miracles and doing are closely related. ¹⁰Knowledge is the result of revelation and induces only thought. ¹¹Even in its most spiritualized form perception involves the body. ¹²Knowledge comes from the altar within and is timeless because it is certain. ¹³To perceive the truth is not the same as to know it.



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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Uh-oh, getting into some heresy.

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We have discussed the fall or separation before, but its meaning must be clearly understood. ²The separation is a system of thought real enough in time, though not in eternity. ³All beliefs are real to the believer. ⁴The fruit of only one tree was “forbidden” in the symbolic garden. ⁵But God could not have forbidden it, or it could not have _been_ eaten. ⁶If God knows His children, and I assure you that He does, would He have put them in a position where their own destruction was possible? ⁷The “forbidden tree” was named the “tree of knowledge.” ⁸Yet God created knowledge and gave it freely to His creations. ⁹The symbolism here has been given many interpretations, but you may be sure that any interpretation that sees either God or His creations as capable of destroying Their Own purpose is in error.



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"Even in its most spiritualized form perception involves the body"

Just exploring, assuming experience != perception. So perhaps when there is no body, we's good? You say hey Bro I got my nonperception ticket. But perception can be keen with no body, increased.

So I pictured offering Christ my nonperception ticket; he was in bodily form. I was going to say 'we' were in bodily form, but I didn't see my own form per se.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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The ingeniousness of the ego to preserve itself is enormous, but it stems from the very power of the mind the ego denies. ²This means that the ego attacks what is preserving it, which must result in extreme anxiety. ³That is why the ego never recognizes what it is doing. ⁴It is perfectly logical but clearly insane. ⁵The ego draws upon the one source that is totally inimical to its existence _for_ its existence. ⁶Fearful of perceiving the power of this source, it is forced to depreciate it. ⁷This threatens its own existence, a state which it finds intolerable. ⁸Remaining logical but still insane, the ego resolves this completely insane dilemma in a completely insane way. ⁹It does not perceive _its_ existence as threatened by projecting the threat onto _you,_ and perceiving your being as nonexistent. ¹⁰This ensures its continuance if you side with it, by guaranteeing that you will not know your own safety.



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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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'purpose with something lit'

I think a flame on an altar is miracle, and then as mala beads or such physical or mental, grow to carry miracle because they are light and therefore is mind. Then does your body become light, the chakras and lila.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:

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The Bible tells you to know yourself, or to be certain. ²Certainty is always of God. ³When you love someone you have perceived him as he is, and this makes it possible for you to know him. ⁴Until you first perceive him as he is you cannot know him. ⁵While you ask questions about him you are clearly implying that you do not know God. ⁶Certainty does not require action. ⁷When you say you are acting on the basis of knowledge, you are really confusing knowledge with perception. ⁸Knowledge provides the strength for creative thinking, but not for right doing. ⁹Perception, miracles and doing are closely related. ¹⁰Knowledge is the result of revelation and induces only thought.¹¹Even in its most spiritualized form perception involves the body. ¹²Knowledge comes from the altar within and is timeless because it is certain. ¹³To perceive the truth is not the same as to know it.





So what is thought without perception?

I’m struck by this idea that “¹⁰Knowledge is the result of revelation and induces only thought.”

It’s also interesting to consider in contrast to many meditation techniques that advise detachment from thought. But what if we ourselves are thoughts, from the Creator? Then what? And if our thoughts are extensions of ourselves… our babies

Probably, our belief in separation constrains our thoughts, making them appear limited, fragmented, fleeting. But maybe that is an illusion, and our true thoughts are unending creations of light


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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Just saw a quote, "When life ties you in knots, take up  macramé."

The mystery. The thought came that since it's all mind or thought, it's about levels. We could say the qualities, like sattva for convenience to me would include that 'only thought.'

But I think we glimpse it and know in the moments what is spoken about mind.

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"our true thoughts are unending creations of light"

That's consistent with the text, and that there is only one thought or purpose, if not beyond the concepts. It's Sat with Chit, Upadhi the tree of peace. That it is peace brings all three, Satchitananda.

Mind is existence and therefore bliss.

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I was replaying these words.

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Salvation can be seen as nothing more than the escape from concepts. ⁴It does not concern itself with content of the mind, but with the simple statement that it thinks. ⁵And what can think has choice, and can be shown that different thoughts have different consequence. ⁶So it can learn that everything it thinks reflects the deep confusion that it feels about how it was made and what it is. ⁷And vaguely does the concept of the self appear to answer what it does not know.



That we ARE is the way. God IS. Said the only statement (needed).

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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So what about the movement? Yesterday speaking with liberty, I thought more seriously about humility, and in the inner space went to my knees and was digging with a hand shovel, grounding as with gardening. Yet the soil I turned over was light.

I thought of waves on the sea, their purpose to reveal light, as movement turns out bioluminescence. All this movement and noise is to reveal light. I imagine the schools of fish, and the wind, and sound, churning and shaping the light reflection for the beauty of being, as the divine hand cuts the void.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Reminds me of Metatron's revelation regarding all phenomena made of light...

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I was shown how all things are made of light, which is stretched, warped, shaded, and twisted in infinitely variable ways - and that is how it forms the "code" or "light DNA" of all things. I was also shown how "sound" is a lower dimensional slice of these higher light forms, whose shapes take on rhythm and vibratory qualities within the context of "time."



Movement depends on time... but seen from outside of time, movement is just light twisted a particular kind of way.


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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I imagine the schools of fish, and the wind, and sound, churning and shaping the light reflection for the beauty of being, as the divine hand cuts the void.



Exactly my thought! (pun intended :smile: )


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