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AnattaAtman
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BrendanFlock said: Impermanence isn't true..
Well, then, where is the snow of yesterday?
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AnattaAtman said:
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BrendanFlock said: Impermanence isn't true..
Well, then, where is the snow of yesterday?
The clouds of tomorrow.
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BrendanFlock
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AnattaAtman said:
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BrendanFlock said: Impermanence isn't true..
Well, then, where is the snow of yesterday?
What I am saying is that nothing really "leaves".. it just goes into hiding..
Also to answer your question.. it gets logged into dark matter/energy.. aka Akashic records.
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GenesisCorrupted
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You’re talking about the principal that energy only changes forms. It never really disappears.
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (11/25/23 12:46 AM)
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syncro
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Re: Impermanence [Re: spinvis] 1
#28557920 - 11/27/23 03:07 AM (2 months, 4 hours ago) |
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spinvis said:Because Kashmir Shaivism is not Vedanta Brahmanism.
It's making more sense to me in the references. In Advaita they're meaning the attribruteless, and in Shaivism, not to do them justice, Ishvara,... considered active.
I found this interesting. I had only known Kashmir Shaivism pretty much as the name and six-lettered shadhakshar, and the ajapa-japa. I did come across a piece years ago which was profound to me on Shiva's grace. Another I found this week goes more in depth with the tattvas, etc.
https://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/siva_sutras_all.htm

The Tirumantiram is amazing, extensive.
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spinvis
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#28558335 - 11/27/23 12:47 PM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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syncro said:
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spinvis said:Because Kashmir Shaivism is not Vedanta Brahmanism.
It's making more sense to me in the references. In Advaita they're meaning the attribruteless, and in Shaivism, not to do them justice, Ishvara,... considered active.
I found this interesting. I had only known Kashmir Shaivism pretty much as the name and six-lettered shadhakshar, and the ajapa-japa. I did come across a piece years ago which was profound to me on Shiva's grace. Another I found this week goes more in depth with the tattvas, etc.
https://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/siva_sutras_all.htm

The Tirumantiram is amazing, extensive.
Not sure why you're first linking to the Bhagavad Gita, and then to the Tirumantiram, which is a Tamil work? Unless you meant to link to the Shiva Sutras and something went wrong? Here's a link to the Shiva Sutras of Vasugupta with commentary by Shri Shailendra Sharma http://www.shailendrasharma.org/shiva-sutras And another link Shiva Sutras of Vasugupta using a different translation. Here's a link which might help as well, Kashmir Shaivism versus Vedanta – A Synopsis by Piyaray L. Raina. Kashmir Shaivism has 36 tattvas vs the more traditional 25 tattvas which you're familiar with.
Anyway, thanks for the link to the Tamil book and happy Thanksgiving!
If you're interested in reading up on the Kashmir Shaivism texts, read the works of Utpaladeva (The Ishvarapratyabhijnakarika) and Abhinavagupta (Tantraloka and Tantrasara), who laid the foundation to this tradition. And if you want a more modern approach, read the works of Lakshmanjoo and Christopher D Wallis.
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syncro
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Re: Impermanence [Re: spinvis] 1
#28558555 - 11/27/23 04:47 PM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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The domain says BG but the page linked addresses Shiva Sutras (scrolling down a little). Otherwise I didn't recognize the difference. Ok, the Tirumantiram is Saiva Siddhanta. Thanks for the sources.
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spinvis
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#28558599 - 11/27/23 05:17 PM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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Oh thanks for the clarification, that website looks just weird on mobile, starting with a full page containing 2 x 18 links to the Bhagavad Gita and then three search bars. I was confused by that, but now I see I needed to scroll down like six pages to get there, yes it's the same  
Good stuff
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Back on topic, was reading this book a while back, fits the subject, short except:
Wei Wu Wei - Fingers Pointing Towards the Moon: Reflections of a Pilgrim on the Way - 11. Time and Space - IV - Movement Is Within;
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If life were to stop for a perceptible moment it would cease to be life; but it would be Time that had stopped. Therefore Time is Movement. But Time is within ourselves (“a function of our receptive apparatus”—Kant); therefore Movement is within ourselves. When we stop (die) Movement stops, and life remains immobile, i.e. eternal—in its permanent state. Do we realise the implications of this?
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#28561114 - 11/29/23 05:51 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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excellent... we have them now
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syncro
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#28561367 - 11/29/23 08:50 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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"Happiness measures no time" -Franz Hartmann
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GenesisCorrupted
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Re: Impermanence [Re: syncro] 1
#28561377 - 11/29/23 08:58 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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But couldn’t existence simply be explained as the presence of oneself? Anything beyond that could be a trick. We could just be in a simulation right now. We could exist in a single drop of water between two molecules. That’s how much space there is.
The fact that I know I exist is my existence.
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=104024#:~:text=We%20believed%20that%20the%20universe,atom%20and%20sub%2Datomic%20particle.
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syncro
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The energy pool. Interesting link. I was reminded of the fractal enfolded magnetic fields we and everything are said to be.
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