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Pan Cyan TTBVI very small * 1
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Hello Forum,

This is my first time with this spiecies. I have them on the BRF cakes, using auomated tub from North Spore, humidity around 90%, temperature 75-80F (may get colder during night) fan turns on every 15 min for 2 min. The cake on the picture is about 3-4 days old. Will they grow more? They look small. What is missing? Oxygen? Humidity? Temperature?

Thank you for helping with this!




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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: StudentOfMagic]
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The environment sounds like it's pretty inviting for them. I think you should consider a different substrate. Maybe something with manure


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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: strawboy] * 1
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I read in a thread on here recently that too much water can possibly lead to stunted growth for Panaeolus. I had very small pins in a setup that was overly wet as well, so I think this could be a possibility.

The top of your cakes does look like it's darker and possibly overly wet, which is why you have none on top and small fruits on the sides.

Personally, this would be a huge win in my book. I would like to see you continue with this setup but maybe a little less water to see if total yield increases and if fruits can form on the top.

How frequent were you misting before you got pins and how many sprays when you misted roughly? and is this a clone? I am very pleased to see you get success on BRF cakes. My setup never worked for me.

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: tultedspoon]
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BRF cakes? What recipe?

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: ansr]
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I think you're asking me ansr? I did a standard BRF cake recipe and did a water tub with birthed cakes. My tub may have been too big, but it never seemed like I was getting any good moisture from the water and my cakes kept drying out. Water tub is probably great for some setups though. I tried to follow what everybody's pictures and setups were like in the water tub thread but my cakes did not like it.

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: tultedspoon] * 1
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No I'm asking StudentOfMagic. He wrote "I have them on the BRF cakes" and I'm just curious what recipe.

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: ansr] * 1
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You'll probably want to add a smidgeon of extra nitrogen next run (manure tea, worm castings, something a la Mojave's CV+...)

It could also be genetics. But those cakes look nice, good job. Just dunked and rolled huh? Could be that with a better moisture reservoir (like top fruiting with a coir top layer or regular casing) the fruits would've gotten a little bigger too.

Have fun eating those!


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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: tultedspoon]
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tultedspoon said:
How frequent were you misting before you got pins and how many sprays when you misted roughly? and is this a clone? I am very pleased to see you get success on BRF cakes. My setup never worked for me.


I invested into the automated Broomer Bin from North Sport. I don't mist myself. I have a humidifier that starts when humidity drops below 85% and stops when it reaches 95%.

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: ansr]
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ansr said:
No I'm asking StudentOfMagic. He wrote "I have them on the BRF cakes" and I'm just curious what recipe.



I have 2 parts vermiculite, 1 part water, 1 part of brown rice flour. As a casing I rolled the cakes in vermiculate, but it did't want to stick. I suspect that the receipe of my cakes or my casing may be a problem here. I've read that BRF is not the best source of nutriens for Pan Cyans

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: StudentOfMagic] * 1
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As others have said, nitrogen will help with pans. If you want to continue with cakes try MacMerdin's Pan-Cakes. Congrats on the fruits!


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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Churpee Choozle said:
But those cakes look nice, good job. Could be that with a better moisture reservoir (like top fruiting with a coir top layer or regular casing) the fruits would've gotten a little bigger too.

Have fun eating those!


So this size looks normal for Pan Cyan? I think I saw pictures on the web with these shrooms much taller. Like a palm-size height if not more

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: StudentOfMagic]
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Pans take a lot of finesse. The humidity, air exchange, nutrient levels, spawn health, and genetics all play a part in those massive flushes.  All those things matter for cubes, but they matter more for pans. The closer you get to perfect, the nicer you fruits will be.

(As far as I understand things)


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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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Getting Pans at all with standard PF Tek is special I think

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: StudentOfMagic] * 1
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BVI is the most popular pan cyan because it's fast and tends to be potent.

But the popularity and speed has also caused some inbreeding depression.

And while I agree with all of the great advice in this thread, especially adding a bit of nitrogen, looking at pan cakes and a proper casing layer.  It can absolutely be genetic.  Especially with bvi.

Either way nice job!  I've been curious if they would fruit off of BRF alone and it looks like they will!


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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: StudentOfMagic] * 1
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In the future, when I am ready to try Pans, I was going to go with the EF Tek Similar to PF Tek, but for exotics.


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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: COgrower]
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LOL — I didn’t expect any words of appreciation when I started this thread, but thank you!

There were a lot of firsts for me in this experiment: my first inoculation from spore prints, first time working with agar, and first time making liquid culture. Because of that, I was honestly surprised that anything grew at all. When I opened the jars a week ago, I was 100% sure I was about to smell nothing but stinky bacteria. :-) While the agar plates and liquid culture colonized pretty quickly, the cakes took forever — now I understand why.

And I just harvested first flush of imressive .... 0.67g dry :-)

Anyway, thank you all for the responses! I will continue to my 2nd flush, improving the casing this time.

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: StudentOfMagic]
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Not accounting for genetics, you may have too much air exchange going on if the humidity is on point.  When your stipes, especially for TTBVI are a little rough, and not smooth and rubbery, that is always an indication in my setup that the fruits are being affected by a little too much air.  In instances of too much air, they seem to not build enough turgor pressure which make them grow taller. 

BVI is my lowest yielding pan, even with a good canopy, but the effects are special.

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Re: Pan Cyan TTBVI very small [Re: trippleblack]
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Half a gram is generally a good sized dose too.


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