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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: markh]
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markh said:
Has anyone tried putting Azurescens LC directly into PC'd wood chips? Reason I'm asking is that I did just that 3 weeks ago and there is no sign of life in any of the jars. The LC was in syringes purchased from a sponsor, so I don't think they were bad. Should I have tried them on agar first?


When I shot Azure spores into jars, I made a variety of jars. First jar only had wood chips, then like another three that had various ratios of wood chips and grain and then a final jar that was all grain.

I saw zero growth from spores in the jar with only wood chips. All the rest of the jars that had grain had growth starting from grain.

I just made some new jars that have various types of wood and grain in each jar. I shot all the jars with 10cc of LC of Allenii, and like the Subaeruginosa above, I'm not seeing any initial growth starting on any type of wood in the jars. All the growth from the Subaeruginosa, Azures, and Allenii I've seen and am seeing, start from the grain and not the wood.

While you might have luck with LC straight to wood, I think the conditions would have to be just right and the growth would start off real slow, that overall your success rate would be low.

If you have more of the LC syringe, giave a jar of wood chips and some grain a try.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: shobimono]
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shobimono said:
markh said:
Has anyone tried putting Azurescens LC directly into PC'd wood chips? Reason I'm asking is that I did just that 3 weeks ago and there is no sign of life in any of the jars. The LC was in syringes purchased from a sponsor, so I don't think they were bad. Should I have tried them on agar first?


When I shot Azure spores into jars, I made a variety of jars. First jar only had wood chips, then like another three that had various ratios of wood chips and grain and then a final jar that was all grain.

I saw zero growth from spores in the jar with only wood chips. All the rest of the jars that had grain had growth starting from grain.

I just made some new jars that have various types of wood and grain in each jar. I shot all the jars with 10cc of LC of Allenii, and like the Subaeruginosa above, I'm not seeing any initial growth starting on any type of wood in the jars. All the growth from the Subaeruginosa, Azures, and Allenii I've seen and am seeing, start from the grain and not the wood.

While you might have luck with LC straight to wood, I think the conditions would have to be just right and the growth would start off real slow, that overall your success rate would be low.

If you have more of the LC syringe, giave a jar of wood chips and some grain a try.


Unfortunately, that was my last syringe. I do have some Azure spores though. I will try your suggestion next. Thanks Shobimono.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: markh] * 6
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First attempt - boiled hickory chips to hydrate then sent a pint of old, iffy spawn. It's still cold af outside, so instead of sending them outside, I brought the outside in and laymixed a small amount of dirt as well. Probably a stupid move, but it made sense at the time.🤣

Regardless, this was done on the 12th and it seems to be hauling ass. Worst case scenario, I huck the whole thing in a hole outside.🤷‍♂️


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder] * 6
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I live in the PNW, with some property at the oregon coast. The long term plan is to just grow lots of different kinds of wood lovers spawn and spread them around the property with some red alder chips from the property around the creeks and grassy areas, wait and see.

I've got 3 species going:
P. cyanescens - in jars now with rye berries mixed with some home made red alder chips from the property.



P. auklandiae - 2nd transfer on agar plates



P. subaeruginosa - 2nd transfer on agar plates



For the auklandiae and subaeruginosa I plan to inoculate jars with rye berries and some home home made red alder chips pasteurized in water for 2-3 weeks, just like the cyanescens. Any other suggestions?

And what bulk substrate to expand each species into?  I was thinking I'd inoculate PC'd saw dust and alder chips + wheat bran in grow bags with the grain jars. I've read the auklandia maybe prefer clay soil?

Once each bag is colonized they will go out into "the wild" of the oregon coastal region (either half mile inland from coast, or a bit more tropical area 7 miles inland).


Thanks for any help!

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tunga]
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I have no experience with aucklandiae, but for the cyans and subaers, once you've got them going, you can just keep expanding to (fermented) chips. I'd skip the bran, it could give contams a foothold / attract critters outside, but it doesn't add much. Colonized grain provides more than enough power to quickly take over large amounts of chips.

If you have a chipper, you can make beds with a high spawn ratio, that colonize fast and get good prospects at having fruits this year. And make some other beds just to keep expanding, keep feeding, to cover larger areas for the future.

And if you're down for a trade, I have several woodlovers on agar atm.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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Churpee Choozle said:
I have no experience with aucklandiae, but for the cyans and subaers, once you've got them going, you can just keep expanding to (fermented) chips. I'd skip the bran, it could give contams a foothold / attract critters outside, but it doesn't add much. Colonized grain provides more than enough power to quickly take over large amounts of chips.

If you have a chipper, you can make beds with a high spawn ratio, that colonize fast and get good prospects at having fruits this year. And make some other beds just to keep expanding, keep feeding, to cover larger areas for the future.

And if you're down for a trade, I have several woodlovers on agar atm.


Thanks that's really helpful. I was on the fence about the need to add the bran and the risk of contamination - sounds like I'll be skipping that!

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tunga]
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My favourite shroomery thread. I hope to join in the fun soon with an outdoor patch!

Would azures be more difficult to get going in the UK (south) than cyans?
Has anyone done it in the UK?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: CreeksideMycology] * 1
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CreeksideMycology said:
I wouldn't mess with him though, I met him in person and he's definitely connected.



Sounds heavy, the mushroom mafia does not mess!

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Elixirel] * 7
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Jesus, let it die...


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Elixirel] * 2
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Elixirel said:
My favourite shroomery thread. I hope to join in the fun soon with an outdoor patch!

Would azures be more difficult to get going in the UK (south) than cyans?
Has anyone done it in the UK?



Azzies and cyans are basically the same thing. They're subaeruginosa.

It's more so a matter of your isolation that's important rather than the species.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 3
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They have speciated, they are not the same thing.  They are all a part of the cyan clade, theoretically all recently descended from subs, and all grow very similar.  Azzies do have slightly different needs than cyans.  This is why in their “natural” environment here on the oregon coast they grow in a gradient that starts with almost all azzies in the north, and shifts to almost all cyans by the time you reach tillamook bay.  They would be entirely intermixed through that entire small range if they had the exact same requirements, but they are not.

For cultivation purposes sure, treat all cyan clade the same.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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IME they also fruit at slightly different times, the cyans before the azures, and (though I have limited experience with these) subaers before the cyans.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 3
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They have speciated. I'm stretching it a bit much, but still. The only one from the section I would argue is the most distant is makarorae. Unfortunately I've never gotten to see any of either in the wild. I would say in terms of cultivation though, you can treat them exactly the same and it just comes down to your culture at that point. I have one set of azzies that fruit warmer than my cyans and then another set that fruits a bit colder and comes up later. That one is more dope and robust but the window to reaching actual maturity before a freeze is very small.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 4
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My cyans all definitely pop before my azzies.  Most azzies I have worked with are more cold tolerant that cyans, while conversely the cyans seem able to grow in much warmer environments.  Yes, azzies have been found as far south as the bay, but those are introduced patches and not even naturally occurring.  Even in Portland right next to their "natural" environment they do not spontaniously occur, they have to be introduced.  I spent half a decade putting patches around portland then sat back with some popcorn and Inat and laughed at all of the "naturally occurring azzies" people were posting right where I had put them :lol:

But yeah, I totally agree it comes down to selected culture.  I think azzies can survive the cold better, and cyans grow more prolifically.

I have several makarorae prints I shamefully haven't streaked yet, I need to get back on the horse.


You know what I miss?  I miss stuntzii.  Little buggers used to be all around and I haven't seen one in a decade now :sad:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 3
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Dude stuntzii is so damn rare now. It's incredible. I'm really salty I gave rhizo rider a colonized container of them and they fruited for him but refuse to pop for me... WTF!!! 😂 If I had to choose to only get to see one woodlover, it would be stuntzii. I seen some people finding them last fall in plant pots at the store. It seems like lawn stuntzii is a thing of the past.

On that note I can agree, azzies are more on the cold spectrum. Perhaps cyans would give OP a easier route of success. Cyans flourish in Europe and even places as crazy as New Zealand and South Africa. Whereas azzies are usually found only in the states. I see a couple observations in the Netherlands, but they were probably put there 🤔

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 3
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I was surprised by how prolific subaeruginosa fruited. They started and stopped before the rest, but they put out a lot, especially considering the beds were like six months old.
And whereas my cyans and azures look pretty much the same, with the azures being less wavy and a bit larger, the subaers really looked like something else.

Haven't had the chance to score makarorae, but things have to go really tits up if there won't be alleni this autumn. Really, really curious how that pheno will turn out.

For comparison:
The azzies


The cyans


And the subaers


Edit: yeah sorry Pheno, a couple of pancake smokers have spread a LOT of azures in the Netherlands. I've even seen them pop up on waarneming.nl as 'cyanescens'. Some people huh.


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Edited by Churpee Choozle (02/17/26 01:21 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 4
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Olympia WA I used to pick cyans in a park in Feb. One year they were under snow for almost a week and just kept going.

Here in zone 5 where I have hickory, maple, and birch in abundance, shale, and very little topsoil my cyans and azzies often don't even fruit because we can get hard freezing temps by halloween. The cyans are more reliable than the azzies and often the azzies are 2-4 weeks later than the cyans.

They cyans in the dunes around Humboldt county CA are likely a further speciation.

People are an ancient and prolific natural vector for transporting psilo mush. IMO "man made" patches are 100% natural and expected wherever human animals migrate. Humans are not outside of nature.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nichrome] * 2
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In my opinion I made a bunch of artificial spawn and propagated patches in areas where they do not reproduce by spore, so that’s entirely human caused and outside of the natural process.  That and I spawn them to an artificial environment made with a machine, chip beds.

As for cyans growing in the dunes around Humboldt, that is also an exclusively introduced invasive habitat, European dune grass.  :shrug:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 2
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Opinions are like buttholes. :heart:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nichrome] * 3
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Everyone has a couple?


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