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Ventroy
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This seems to be a really cool program, you write it to your USB and it creates various partitions like a boot partition, and a very large partition depending on the size of your usb disk, and you just move the linux or windows ISO there and when you boot from it you can choose which ISO you want to load, but also, you can store normal files in the same partition too, so you dont lose your 60gb usb device to a 4gb iso


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Ventroy [Re: gopher]
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Is it a fork or child of GRUB?


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Re: Ventroy [Re: Northerner]
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I dont think it has anything to do with GRUB

I asked gemini, it actually uses grub or a grub like program in part of the ventroy program

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To understand how Ventoy works "under the hood," it’s best to compare it to how traditional USB bootable tools work.

In a standard setup (like using Rufus or BalenaEtcher), you "burn" an ISO file to a USB. This process reboots the entire USB drive to match the filesystem of that specific ISO. If you want a different OS, you have to format the drive and start over.

Ventoy changes the game by acting as a middleman. Here is the simple breakdown of its internal logic:
1. The Partition Split

When you "install" Ventoy to a USB drive, it hides itself by splitting the drive into two distinct parts:

    Part A (The Small Hidden Partition): This is a tiny, hidden boot partition (usually formatted as FAT). It contains the Ventoy bootloader and the logic needed to start the computer.

    Part B (The Large Storage Partition): This is the rest of your drive (usually formatted as ExFAT or NTFS). This is where you simply drag and drop your ISO files like regular documents.

2. The Bootloader Handshake

When you plug the USB into a computer and turn it on, the computer's BIOS/UEFI looks at the USB and finds the Ventoy bootloader in that small hidden partition.

Instead of loading a Windows or Linux installer immediately, Ventoy starts its own mini-operating system (based on GRUB). It then scans your "Storage Partition" for any files ending in .iso, .wim, or .img and displays them in a menu.

3. The "Hooking" Trick (The Secret Sauce)

This is the most technical part. Normally, an ISO file expects to be "burned" onto a physical disk. If you just try to run an ISO file as a file, the OS installer will eventually "lose" the file because it doesn't know how to look inside a filesystem to find itself.

Ventoy uses a "Hooking" strategy:

    Once you select an ISO, Ventoy creates a Virtual Disk in the computer's memory.

    It "tricks" the computer into thinking that the ISO file you selected is actually a physical DVD or hard drive plugged into the machine.

    It stays active in the background while the installer runs, providing the data from the ISO file whenever the installer asks for it.

Why this is better

    No Formatting: You can put your personal photos and work documents on the same USB drive as your bootable ISOs.

Bypass Restrictions: Ventoy includes "plugins" that can automatically bypass Windows 11 hardware checks (TPM/Secure Boot) by injecting code into the installer as it boots.

Multi-Platform: It supports Legacy BIOS and modern UEFI simultaneously.

Would you like me to walk you through how to add custom themes or bypass Windows 11 system requirements using Ventoy?


Gemini can make mistakes, so double-check it





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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Ventroy [Re: gopher]
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Might be usable for secure boot isos like tails and whatnot, which I always found frustrating to the point of never using because they could never save any data without jumping through hoops and compromising the entire system.


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Re: Ventroy [Re: gopher]
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Yeah i use it, I recommend it

Its how i create dual boot systems
windows is for steam games etc nothing else
everything else is done on linux for free with speed, security and stability.

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Re: Ventroy [Re: gopher]
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The rEFInd Boot Manager is sort of grub like and is good.

https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/

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Re: Ventroy [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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yes refind is cool, i used it in maybe 2015 on a 2009 macbook that didnt like grub, refind sure looks a lot nicer then grub

i have seabios on my computer right now, which i dont believe can support uefi, i need to get hardware flashers and i could switch to tianacore which is a uefi booter

if i under stand this all correctly right now with seabios i am stuck with legacy booting, I think i can boot GPT stuff with some work arounds (seabios itself cant boot gpt, but grub can i think)

if i switch to tiancore i am stuck with native uefi booting, but again can boot MBR sruff with some work arounds (like refind or grub and a compatibility support module to boot some old legacy only machines)

but i can only install refind if i switch to tianocore


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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