1NFIN8 said:

B Traven said:

1NFIN8 said:

My concern on psilocybin legality is whether it explicitly talks about pharma psilocybin vs shroom. I’m still a positive step

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I guess my view is, just look at cocaine and opiates. Or amphetamines. They're perfectly capable of having a system of permitting and astronomical pharmaceutical profits on one side and a system of criminalization and persecution on the other. At least with psilocybes and cannabis, it's kind of impossible to control once the cat's out of the bag. And there are usually provisions to allow either home-growing for personal use or a more decentralized DIY approach to clinical licensing. University research with all its attendant Federal hoop-jumping has been underway for a while now, but state legislation like this just helps push the overton window. It's still gonna take a wider societal shift before wholesale legal change, but stuff like this puts it on the radar.

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I get it. And I hope that’s the case. However, I was screwed pretty hard by pharma with colchicine, a drug for gout. It has been used for 3500 years and only cost about a dime a pill. Then the fda set about requiring trials for single ingredient meds to ensure safety and efficacy of the drug didn’t have modern approvals in place. A drug company did a trial and the fda gave them exclusivity to that drug and it drove the price per pill to nearly $5.

Pharma and clinics are all trying to patent absurd things related to psychedelics including things like set and setting. Compass Pathways has patents on crystallized psilocybin and regimens that have indigenous roots.

I would hate to see it happen in a similar fashion as colchicine.

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B Traven said:

1NFIN8 said:

B Traven said:

1NFIN8 said:

My concern on psilocybin legality is whether it explicitly talks about pharma psilocybin vs shroom. I’m still a positive step

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I guess my view is, just look at cocaine and opiates. Or amphetamines. They're perfectly capable of having a system of permitting and astronomical pharmaceutical profits on one side and a system of criminalization and persecution on the other. At least with psilocybes and cannabis, it's kind of impossible to control once the cat's out of the bag. And there are usually provisions to allow either home-growing for personal use or a more decentralized DIY approach to clinical licensing. University research with all its attendant Federal hoop-jumping has been underway for a while now, but state legislation like this just helps push the overton window. It's still gonna take a wider societal shift before wholesale legal change, but stuff like this puts it on the radar.

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I get it. And I hope that’s the case. However, I was screwed pretty hard by pharma with colchicine, a drug for gout. It has been used for 3500 years and only cost about a dime a pill. Then the fda set about requiring trials for single ingredient meds to ensure safety and efficacy of the drug didn’t have modern approvals in place. A drug company did a trial and the fda gave them exclusivity to that drug and it drove the price per pill to nearly $5.

Pharma and clinics are all trying to patent absurd things related to psychedelics including things like set and setting. Compass Pathways has patents on crystallized psilocybin and regimens that have indigenous roots.

I would hate to see it happen in a similar fashion as colchicine.

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Yeah, that really sucks. It's a little astonishing how good the FDA is at fucking things up sometimes. And that's a huge issue with so many drugs right now, stuff that should absolutely be generic/public domain still set up as cash cows for a few pharmaceutical companies. My wife is currently on a less effective asthma medicine because her insurance won't cover the cost of the one she took for decades- because the company that still holds the patent just randomly jacked up the price.

I just think that, in the case of psilocybes, they'll naturally try to pull all that crap off, but there are so many things that will fuck it up for them in the long run. I think the biggest thing is just that there were multiple decades of enforcement efforts that completely failed, but did fuel a whole counter-culture of people growing and trading material. It's hilarious to read the methods section of papers from Hopkins and whatnot. Their instruction on techniques and starting genetics all come from places like this. But also, it's just not a "normal" medicine. It's not a once-a-day pill. It's not something they can corner the market on and force people to buy. The more expense and red tape they add to the process, the more they'll just create a dual market: high-end "experiences" and clinical regimes and synthetic compounds on one side, and the same old witchy black market on the other.

I guess part of the way I look at it is pretty rudimentary: I live in a state with legalized medicinal and recreational cannabis. There are limits on how much you can possess at one time, how many plants you can grow, etc. Homegrown plants are only for personal use. All sales must go through the vertically integrated dispensary system. Public consumption is illegal. Driving while high is, too. But the thing is, with weed being legal, thwre is basically no political or administrative will to invest in cracking down on any of those violations. The only thing fucking up black market weed is former customers abandoning their suppliers and going to the dispensary. There's actually never been a safer time to grow and sell illegal weed. Or blaze in public. Or drive around blazing.

So, yeah, I guess that's my ultimate angle. I'd always rather hear "you don't have the right permit for that" than "you are engaged in 100% criminal activity."

And my ultimate message is, everyone who's got the interest and aptitude should keep growing shrooms and weed if circumstances permit. Never let them have a monopoly, and keep the underground alive.

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KlarnEvil9 said:

Confession - I hate myself for clicking on a few threads in OTD and political discussion. I also now think less of some of the people posting over there, but I make no apologies for that.

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KlarnEvil9 said:

Confession - this confessional thread is starting to feel like the non-cultivation parts of this forum I visited and ran screaming from.

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KlarnEvil9 said:

Confession - I am being very judgemental in my mind of the TONS of posts from "new" members who obviously came from reddit and YT.

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After the third comment like that within 3 days I decided to just make fun of myself for being "from reddit and YT" (whatever that means) so nobody else feels called out by shit like this even though I'm pretty sure he was talking about me anyways

Hopefully Klarn comes back

Shoutout to Kloakk for being a real one

Vegeta said:

Shoutout to Kloakk for being a real one

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Yeah, that really sucks. It's a little astonishing how good the FDA is at fucking things up sometimes. And that's a huge issue with so many drugs right now, stuff that should absolutely be generic/public domain still set up as cash cows for a few pharmaceutical companies.

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Lithop said:

Whew, I know I'll be getting some sleep tonight then- thanks Vegeta!

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Funny Compass Pathways came up. They are publicly traded on the NASDAQ. Between $5 & 6 a share. My brother mentioned them to me and said it might be worth tossing a few bucks at.

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1NFIN8 said:

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Funny Compass Pathways came up. They are publicly traded on the NASDAQ. Between $5 & 6 a share. My brother mentioned them to me and said it might be worth tossing a few bucks at.

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They are in the lead regarding psilocybin clinical trials as best as I can tell.

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flapping_bird said:

there is another way: one can always make their mushroom cultivation and use part of their own sincere religious beliefs and practice…just sayin…

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Kloakk said:

Vegeta said:

Shoutout to Kloakk for being a real one

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Gilmour Hendrix said:

Even got the hands to prove it!

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Kloakk said:

Gilmour Hendrix said:

Even got the hands to prove it!

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Gilmour Hendrix said:

Kloakk said:

Gilmour Hendrix said:

Even got the hands to prove it!

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How is today treating you Gil? Damn, I confess it's been over a year since I vacuumed or cleaned the tent I have my SAB in, probably six months since I cleaned the inside of my SAB, have to get off my ass and do a deep clean.

But it won't be today and most certainly won't be tomorrow, why you ask?