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FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE * 7
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Hello everybody

For quite some years now we talk about „Fruiting conditions from spawn to harvest“ while the restriction of FAE until full colonization was (and for some is) standard for a very long time.

This thread IS NOT ment to be a place of debate and please don‘t argue here about it. This will lead nowhere and not help putting this to bed once and for all (i know many of you think we are long past that, but as  i couldn‘t find a single side by side … voilà)

So… how about some simple side by side comparison ?!?

the idea if you care to participate:

split the desired amount of spawn (from the same bags/jars of course) into two or more containers and spawn to bulk.
try to be as precise as possible in preparing the boxes/totes/bags EQUALLY.

mention the variety, as we might find that preferences (co2/o2) between varieties can be quite different.

put one or more containers in FC at spawn and restrict FAE for the others.

lets see pix at spawn, after a few days, one week after 2 weeks (f.ex) as you see fit.
put the restricted container to Fruiting when its time. show first pins and pinset for both.

i will be joining this soon, but if you got spawn ready right now, please go ahead !!

any questions?
otherwise, see you at spawn..


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the observer is the observed
            j. krishnamurti


>The Hitchhiker‘s Guide to the Shroomery<

Edited by chris77 (06/07/25 02:40 AM)

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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: chris77] * 4
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:popcorn:

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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: DERRAYLD] * 3
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:camping:


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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:havesomescience:


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: EniQma]
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:thatsinteresting:

I don't have anything to spawn at the moment but I'm very curious over this after I accidentally put the lid on my water tub and my cubes had a MUCH better result than with a slightly offset lid.


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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:camping:


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: SkanskKorv]
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SkanskKorv said:
:thatsinteresting:

I don't have anything to spawn at the moment but I'm very curious over this after I accidentally put the lid on my water tub and my cubes had a MUCH better result than with a slightly offset lid.


Please quantify/define "better result" for us.  What was the control you compared against?


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: OldManRiver] * 3
    #29241864 -

sorry to be so direct, dont mean to be rude, but please, lets keep the discussion to a minimum, otherwise this will go south immediately..

join the fun, spawn precise amounts and lets all have a look together.

cheers


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            j. krishnamurti


>The Hitchhiker‘s Guide to the Shroomery<

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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: OldManRiver]
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OldManRiver said:
SkanskKorv said:
:thatsinteresting:

I don't have anything to spawn at the moment but I'm very curious over this after I accidentally put the lid on my water tub and my cubes had a MUCH better result than with a slightly offset lid.


Please quantify/define "better result" for us.  What was the control you compared against?



I'll keep my answer simple and avoid further discussions as Chris said but I want to answer your question and I had much faster pinning and growth + more mycelium overlay on the Verm of my single surviving brf cake (B+).

Faster colonisation of the casing, about 20-50% faster pin growth and pins around the entire cake rather than just the sides and bottom where the micro climate is. The pins will finish in a couple of days or so, I can come back with an update on how much the first Vs second flush produced since the first flush was with ordinary FAE and I've kept the lid on for the second flush (it's not clamped down though, just laying on there with tiny little slits to get FAE from.)


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: SkanskKorv] * 9
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Alright folks, here’s what I can throw into the ring:



A bag of grain spawn (PE), two brand new tubs, straw pellets from the pet store, and a roll of plastic bags for mixing and as liners.

I’m not a TC, but I’ve got all this stuff on hand right now, and I’m excited to try out this side-by-side challenge and learn something along the way.

My plan is to prep the straw pellets in a bag with hot water, wrap them in a bed sheet, and let them cool down slowly. Then I’ll add the spawn, mix everything thoroughly, and evenly distribute the mix into the two tubs with liners. No casing, no exzessive compression.

One tub will get air holes, and the other one I’ll seal with clingwrap at the lid.

Can’t wait to see what happens!

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Day 0:

Alright, let’s go!

I brought the straw pellets to field capacity using boiling water and let them cool down slowly, wrapped in a blanket.


Then I added the spawn


and mixed everything thoroughly.


I evenly distributed the mixture between the two boxes (measured with a scale).


In one box, I burned in ventilation holes (approx. 7mm each), and I sealed the lid of the other box with plastic wrap.

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Day 1 (after 24 h):





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Day 2:





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Day 3:





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Day 5:



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Day 6:



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Result after 7 days:



Tub FC is nearly 100% and tub noFAE is under 1%.

I opened the lid on the noFAE box, and the smell was slightly sour, definitely with an extremely high CO₂ concentration (it actually stings in the nose…).
I’ve now left the lid loosely on and hope that the substrate hasn’t become too acidic from the carbonic acid, and that the mycelium can recover…

So this is day 0 of the revival.

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Edited by Bxolotl (06/15/25 03:08 AM)

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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: Bxolotl] * 2
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No TC is required here, anyone and everyone can participate in the name of science.

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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: Bxolotl] * 2
    #29241903 -

:takingnotes:


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: SkanskKorv]
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SkanskKorv said:
OldManRiver said:
SkanskKorv said:
:thatsinteresting:

I don't have anything to spawn at the moment but I'm very curious over this after I accidentally put the lid on my water tub and my cubes had a MUCH better result than with a slightly offset lid.


Please quantify/define "better result" for us.  What was the control you compared against?



I'll keep my answer simple and avoid further discussions as Chris said but I want to answer your question and I had much faster pinning and growth + more mycelium overlay on the Verm of my single surviving brf cake (B+).

Faster colonisation of the casing, about 20-50% faster pin growth and pins around the entire cake rather than just the sides and bottom where the micro climate is. The pins will finish in a couple of days or so, I can come back with an update on how much the first Vs second flush produced since the first flush was with ordinary FAE and I've kept the lid on for the second flush (it's not clamped down though, just laying on there with tiny little slits to get FAE from.)


Chris can go get in line with the other people who want to tell us how to use the internet.

From this, I gather that your opinion is based on one example, with no control being run side by side.  The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.  I would be cautious about drawing any conclusions from a single data point.


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: OldManRiver] * 5
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There's no need to be like that, he made the thread and requests that we keep the discussion to a minimum.
No reason to not respect that.

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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: DERRAYLD] * 3
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oldman , i didnt mean to shut up anybody.. discuss what you want.
i just think its best to let pictures do the talking, thats all, no harm.


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the observer is the observed
            j. krishnamurti


>The Hitchhiker‘s Guide to the Shroomery<

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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: OldManRiver] * 3
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Yeah mate I didn't claim that I provided scientific data, just a single observation which is what sparked my curiosity for this project but I guess you missed that somehow.

I really don't understand why you're being so edgy over this or the fact that Chris made some loose rules. Have a breath dude we're not disarming a nuclear device here...


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: chris77] * 1
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from my personal journey as a grower so keep in mind skill improves over time but..

100% colonization before 'fruiting'

duck tape. poly.. fanning. liners. what a fucking noob.

fruiting at spawning.

no holes no fanning nothing just lids cracked from day 1 and ignored.

results mang:smoker:

i apologize if not in the spirit of the thread but i think i got it:stoned:


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: mushboy]
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mushboy said:
from my personal journey as a grower so keep in mind skill improves over time but..

100% colonization before 'fruiting'

duck tape. poly.. fanning. liners. what a fucking noob.

fruiting at spawning.

no holes no fanning nothing just lids cracked from day 1 and ignored.

results mang:smoker:

i apologize if not in the spirit of the thread but i think i got it:stoned:


not representative for the setup of a direct comparison.
you could have noobed somewhere along the way.. so yes, its not  in the spirit of the thread.
:shrug:


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the observer is the observed
            j. krishnamurti


>The Hitchhiker‘s Guide to the Shroomery<

Edited by chris77 (06/07/25 01:36 PM)

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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: chris77] * 3
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helps if i fully read the post first.


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Re: FC vs. no FAE @ Spawn SIDE BY SIDE [Re: Bxolotl] * 7
    #29242289 -

Alright, let’s go!

I brought the straw pellets to field capacity using boiling water and let them cool down slowly, wrapped in a blanket.


Then I added the spawn


and mixed everything thoroughly.


I evenly distributed the mixture between the two boxes (measured with a scale).


In one box, I burned in ventilation holes (approx. 7mm each), and I sealed the lid of the other box with plastic wrap.

Next pix will come in 24 hours.


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