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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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They get slowed down a bit. I have compared cyan, azure, IWL, ovoid and subaer (by leaving a few jars to colonize undisturbed). They always colonize faster with shaking. It seems to matter less on grains and a bit more on woodchips, but I can't figure out if that's because of nutrient content, the hardness/weight of the material or something else.
A lot of shaking over a short period seems to do most damage. Found that out long ago. I used to shake my cubes around every five days. Azur and cyan really didn't like that.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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We add gypsum to grain substrate, but can we add gypsum to woodchips substrate? It should have positive effects just like on grain, right? I was thinking about this.. :takingnotes:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 4
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Who adds gypsum?What positive effects?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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CVG = Coir Verm Gypsum, I know many people use pure Coir or just Coir Verm, but I have heard on multiple occasions that Gypsum, added 1-5% to the substrate's dry weight, can increase water holding capacity of the substrate and provide beneficial minerals (mainly calcium) that the mycelium can feed off of! :grin:

Sometimes people also add gypsum to the soaking water of grain substrate! Some add it to the water it boils in: some both, some neither.


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Edited by cybesa (02/24/25 04:36 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa]
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AFAIK gypsum is added to grain to make it less wet and sticky. There are possibly some nutritional benefits but I’m not sure if it would make any difference for woodlovers on wood. Probably wouldn’t hurt to try it though.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Digit] * 4
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Gypped sum damn near killed em

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40] * 1
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catnip40 said:
I think gandalfiana is called maluti now

The Fungi Files #001 - Alan Rockefeller - Two Novel Psilocybes from Southern Africa @ around 13 minutes. the link is time stamped




soo confusing, alan says that gandalfiana  is going to be called maluti, but just before that timestamped link you gave, he says that the one found in california is close to ps. hopii is going to be named ps. gandalfiana.

so if that person got the culture from alan from the california acquisition, it will probably be called gandalfiana into the future, no?

so once the dust settles, gandalfiana is from california, and maluti is african, right?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Digit]
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I think I'll try on the lower half of the 1-5%, see how it works! Will try to compare performance, although I doubt there will be anything too noticeable. And yes, I have also read it makes the grains less sticky and easier to shake/distribute across a jar/bag! But I have also heard it helps with water retention and has some minerals the fungi like? :strokebeard:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: the_chosen_one]
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Yeah you're right my bad I had misinterpreted that as the Californian one and the African one being the same but the one from California is

Psilocybe aff. hopii = psilocybe sp-ca02 = galfdalfiana

Psilocybe sp. 'CA02'

Psilocybe "sp-CA02"

Psilocybe sp. 'gandalfiana'

the_chosen_one said:
Cross post from Exotics and journal..

Well, I haven't killed it yet..

Psilocybe aff. Hopii (Gandalfiana) agar to chips test day 25

But what I did kill, was E.T. He's just to the left of the S.
:archiebunker:

Psilocybe aff. Hopii (Gandalfiana) agar to chips test day 25

Additionally, I'm noticing they are seemingly more interested in the water than the wood at this point and seem to be drawing it out of the chips. Makes sense being it's a snow melt mushroom. Probably has to deal with a lot of water initially. Seeing them growing in a culvert drain field kind of supports my theory. I guess. :lol:

This one is likely an exception with pine as well. I really need to get it to grain and try some pine when I find a convenient pile.

copied from journal..

Copied from Fungal Diversity Survey (Facebook)

For our first post of the year we are highlighting a new Psilocybe species — Psilocybe “sp-CA02” found in May 2023 by Taye Bright and analyzed by Harte Singer. This undescribed species is secotioid (aka sequestrate) which means that it appears to be a "normal" mushroom, but its cap will never open.
Taye's notes are as follows: "Growing from soil organic matter in a saturated area close to a culvert just downhill from road in the 2021 Caldor fire burn scar, in Eldorado National Forest. Undescribed sequestrate Psilocybe species, ample blue bruising along the stipe."
Genetically this new Psilocybe is close to P. hopii, but not at all close to P. polytrichoides, which is the only other known secotioid member of the genus in California. This new discovery provides a remarkable example of convergent evolution, meaning that both distantly related mushrooms adopted the same secotioid strategy. And Taye’s remarkable find adds another example to California’s eco-evolutionary guild of fungi displaying a secotioid/sequestrate phenotype.
Psilocybe expert and California local Alan Rockefeller is in the process of describing this species. He plans to name it Psilocybe gandalfiana, as a nod to the tall pointed hat worn by the character Gandalf in Lord of the Rings!
Incredible finds like this one made by the CA FUNDIS team would not be possible without funding from the State of California and the California Institute for Biodiversity!!

>>>PICS<<<

Thanks to Workman!!! :hug:



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40]
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Keep em coming, I love nomenclature and taxonomy. Even though there's a lot of randomness out there.

Cybesa, I personally wouldn't. I mean consider this: some sclerotia forming species (for example) live in limestone regions. You could make a case for supplements there (whether it'll hold is a different thing).
But woodlovers live in places where rotting processes abound. With loads of tannins and humic acids. Any available calcium will have leached out long ago. The available Ca and P in most forest systems are all bound in plant tissue.
Most noticeable exception would be the type habitat of azurescens, as dunes tend to hold giant Ca reserves. But I don't know the American dune systems, so perhaps that doesn't even fly.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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Are any of you guys mixing in a significant amount of coco coir into your beds? Someone on Facebook sent this pic to the GC and I'm fucking mind blown at how good of a flush they got. OP does not want recognition for this but he's definitely onto something here.
Allenii grown on a 1:1 mix of coir and mulch, cased with another layer of coir. 1:3 ratio spawn to bulk. We're all the details they sent.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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its vans patch he posted it in this thread a couple years ago and from what i remember its azurescens

he posted the details on the discord server but i dont know if its still on there or not

Psilocybe azurescens greenhouse grow

Edited by catnip40 (02/25/25 05:20 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40]
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Is there a woodlover specific discord? I just made an account yesterday, would love an invite if so.


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Edited by Blufuut180 (02/25/25 05:34 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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I am glad to see I was not the only one who is sheding light on this specific project! :grin:
I've been studying this specific grow for months: I plan on recreating it! And yes, he has used coco coir in it alongside hardwood mulch!

It is Ps. Azurescens!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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I see! That is some good information, thank you!
So perhaps if I've done some more research, I could determine that even though it may not be the best idea for most woodlovers, Azurescens might like it.. I'll have to experiment this spring! :takingnotes:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa]
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What is the best tek to start growing woodlovers?
Don't have any experience with any woodlover yet.
Have some Psilocybe cyanescens LC.
My plan is LC --> grain jars --> pasteurized woodchips --> outdoor bed
Is this method beginner-friendly or is there an easier way to start with?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: psychedelicmind]
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psychedelicmind said:
What is the best tek to start growing woodlovers?
Don't have any experience with any woodlover yet.
Have some Psilocybe cyanescens LC.
My plan is LC --> grain jars --> pasteurized woodchips --> outdoor bed
Is this method beginner-friendly or is there an easier way to start with?



Yes that's a pretty standard protocol for woodlovers.
I usually use WBS for my grain, fermented/cold pasteurized hardwood chips.
If you live in the PNW alder is readily available but pretty much any wood except cedar or pine will work well.
Sitka Spruce (named after my home town :smile: and western hemlock are fine too.
Fermented chips work better than heat pasteurized ones, just soak them under water in a bucket or a tote in a warm-ish place for two weeks, drain for 4-24 hrs (I wait 24 hrs) and spawn.
1:4 grain spawn:chips is ok.
When you put them outside, especially the first year when there are still grains involved, be aware that rodents will fuck up your patch to eat the grain.
What I do is get some thick metal screen material, aka hardware cloth, and make an enclosed basket or box type thing to put my colonized chips/grain into. I dig a hole that it will fit into, around 6 inches deep, line it with rocks or gravel for drainage, and put 1-2 inches of chips, colonized or not, but without grain on top.
I also put some metal screen and wood shavings, a few small rocks and/or leaf litter on top of the whole thing.  Rats, squirrels, raccoons etc can't chew through metal.
Depending on your local climate you might need to water it throughout the summer. Choosing a good location is very important as well. A place that stays moist but not flooded, so
aking wet and anaerobic is ideal.
Just inside the drip line of a large bush seems to work well.
Cyanescens love to grow under rhododendrons.
If anyone has better advice I will be happily corrected.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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This will take you there. Not much happening though.

https://discord.gg/PWE23q4y


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
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Digit said:
Yes that's a pretty standard protocol for woodlovers.
I usually use WBS for my grain, fermented/cold pasteurized hardwood chips.
If you live in the PNW alder is readily available but pretty much any wood except cedar or pine will work well.
Sitka Spruce (named after my home town :smile: and western hemlock are fine too.
Fermented chips work better than heat pasteurized ones, just soak them under water in a bucket or a tote in a warm-ish place for two weeks, drain for 4-24 hrs (I wait 24 hrs) and spawn.
1:4 grain spawn:chips is ok.
When you put them outside, especially the first year when there are still grains involved, be aware that rodents will fuck up your patch to eat the grain.
What I do is get some thick metal screen material, aka hardware cloth, and make an enclosed basket or box type thing to put my colonized chips/grain into. I dig a hole that it will fit into, around 6 inches deep, line it with rocks or gravel for drainage, and put 1-2 inches of chips, colonized or not, but without grain on top.
I also put some metal screen and wood shavings, a few small rocks and/or leaf litter on top of the whole thing.  Rats, squirrels, raccoons etc can't chew through metal.
Depending on your local climate you might need to water it throughout the summer. Choosing a good location is very important as well. A place that stays moist but not flooded, so
aking wet and anaerobic is ideal.
Just inside the drip line of a large bush seems to work well.
Cyanescens love to grow under rhododendrons.
If anyone has better advice I will be happily corrected.



Hi Digit,

thank you very much for your detailed reply. I really appreciate that!
Will probably go two different ways: Some outdoor beds like you recommended in your post and another bed in a flower box on my balcony.
Unfortunately i don't have a garden but maybe i can find some spots in the forest with rhododendrons.
I live in Germany. We have a lot of oak and beech forests here. And spruce and pine of course.
My cyanescens came from a liquid culture syringe i had bought.
Have transferred it three times now. Not sure if the plates look okay. They seem to be very tormentose and some look a litte bit powdery in my opinion. Can you have a look at them?
Agar recipe: 500ml water, 10g agar, 7,5g malt, 0.5g peptone.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
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NothingsChanged said:
This will take you there. Not much happening though.

https://discord.gg/PWE23q4y



Hi NothingsChanged,

thank you for the invite. Just accepted it, but i need a telephone number to activate my account.
Will buy an anonymous prepaid sim card tomorrow because i don't wanna use my real life number for anything concerning mushroom growing.  :wink:

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