Auto-SummaryMycodemus describes their experience making a batch of gummies using ginger tea as the base liquid, incorporating dried semperviva fruits, black currant cordial, gelatin, agar agar, and MCT oil. The gummies were intended to contain 0.3 wet grams of semperviva per gummy, but the author found that the actual potency was much lower. They suspect that factors such as the tea process, acid addition, or the heat from the sugar may have affected the potency. The author plans to experiment with cold water extraction to improve potency in future batches. They also reflect on their microdosing habits and experiences, noting a discrepancy in the effects of different doses and considering psychological factors that may influence the intensity of their psychedelic experiences.
Mycodemus said:
Mycodemus said: I made another batch today, with the aforementioned tweaks. I will come back and edit in my entire process step by step but I’m pretty exhausted now. Making the tea seems like the longest process, so the idea to make tea into ice cubes for later candy making is one I’ll consider if I don’t want to spend the whole day in the kitchen. But I also started out making ginger tea from fresh ginger, to use as the water for the mushroom tea. So that added some time to the process as well.
I made note of and made an effort to take care with temperature, so I aimed for 121C with the syrup/agar, although it got out of hand at the end and went up to about 130. Need to have an ice bath on hand for next time.
Also this time my timing with everything was much better. Mise en place is the way to go with this.
This time I added the gelatin mixture to the hot sugar bit by bit, slowly by tablespoons (like tempering eggs), stirring with each addition, and that made incorporating into the hot sugar easier. I tried not to go below 55 or above 70, but I think I might have accidentally have gone above 70 C at the very end, above which gelatin breaks down. After pouring they weren’t setting up as quickly as yesterday’s batch; however, at the end of the pour I again noticed some undissolved clear chunks which I’m not sure were gelatin or agar. I’m starting to suspect it’s probably agar, not sure what to do about that, but next time I’ll try heating the agar in water first, and then adding the syrup to that. Anyway, those chunks went into my little overflow cup on the side, after I filled the whole silicone tray, so they are denser than the rest of the mixture.
I checked on them after they went into the fridge, worried that they wouldn’t set up, but luckily they seemed firm like the last batch. If they end up melting at room temperature then I guess I’ll keep them in the fridge for home consumption only.
I’m having fun with this! It’s very satisfying.
Delayed update, here’s the recipe for my second batch of gummies. My aim was to make one full tray of 126 gummies at 2 ml each, at a microdose level of 0.3 wet grams of semperviva each.
30 g grated fresh frozen ginger (next time will try 45 g) 500 ml water
Made tea from ginger, reduced to half then adding water 3 times. Strained out ginger, then used liquid for the mushroom tea.
4.2 grams dried semperviva fruits Ginger tea, topped up with water to 500 ml MCT oil
Crumbled up mushrooms by hand, then ground up a bit in a mortar and pestle.
Add liquid to pot, reserving ~100 ml. Add mushrooms to pot, carefully so not to kick up dust into the air. Rinse out mortar and pestle with remaining liquid to get all the bits. Scrape out with silicone spatula. Add 2 drops MCT oil to help prevent foaming. Bring to boil, reduce to high simmer. Cook uncovered, scraping down sides occasionally with spatula. Reduce to half over about 30 minutes. Strain through a fine brewers bag, squeeze out mush, and cool tea in ice bath. Then return to pot with 300 ml water and repeat process. Discard mush solids. Return all filtered tea to pot and reduce to 100 ml. Cool in ice bath.
While tea is simmering, prepare the following:
Grease gummy silicone molds with carnauba wax/oil mixture. Fuck using a brush, a gloved finger is the fastest and best method, at least for the cube shape kind.
2 g potassium sorbate 11 g 2:1:1 acid blend (2:1:1 citric:malic:tartaric) (or just use citric, but this gives more complexity) 1 g table salt
Grind finely in mortar and pestle. I still had issues with this dissolving, next time I will try dissolving in 25 ml hot water first before using in the recipe.
100 ml mushroom tea, cooled in ice bath 85 ml black currant flavored drink cordial, undiluted (for drinks, is diluted 1:4 with water) 54 g unflavored gelatin powder
Mix cordial into the tea. Sprinkle over gelatin and let sit 5 minutes. Then gently fold together so that all liquid is in contact with gelatin. Let sit 15 minutes. Should be like a solid rubber puck with no liquid pooling.
4 g agar agar (I had issues with the agar not dissolving properly, will try cooking it up in liquid first next time) 165 g white syrup Thermometer
Add syrup to small pot. Sprinkle over agar and let sit 15 minutes (this didn’t help the dissolving issue, will cook the agar with water first next time) Stick thermometer to pot and heat the syrup to 120 C, stirring and gently scraping down sides with silicone spatula. Remove from heat and cool immediately to 70 C. By tablespoons, add gelatin mixture to the pot, stirring gently but continuously and thoroughly after each addition. Keep the temperature below 70 C but above 60 (although you can go to 45-50 really). Crucial part is to not go above 70 C as you will break down the gelatin and it won’t set properly. Scrape down the sides as you go until all the gelatin is added and incorporated. Remove from heat and transfer to a spouted vessel for pouring into the molds. Working quickly but carefully, pour into prepared mold. For me, this made a whole tray of 126 gummy cubes at 2 ml each, with an overflow of 15 ml.
Let set for 15 minutes, then transfer to the fridge. This next day, remove from molds, massage with a few drops of carnauba oil blend, and store in glass jar with desiccant packs.
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Now, these came out delicious, but somewhere along the line I didn’t get the potency I wanted. I’d aimed for microdoses at ~ 0.3 wet grams of semperviva each. But when I took 8 gummies a few days after I made them, it seemed more like about 1-1.2 wet gram than the expected 2.6. The mushrooms were dried properly and were fresh having only been dried the week before and stored in glass with desiccant.
I saw on another thread to expect a loss of potency of about 1:6, whatever that means.
I’m not sure if it’s due to the mushrooms, the tea process, the acid addition, or the heat from the sugar which didn’t go above 70 C.
It could’ve been some tolerance so I’ve cut back on the microdosing, but even after taking a break I tried my first batch again (which I wrote up a few posts ago) and though I aimed for 0.3, I’d say they’re maybe more like 0.1 or 0.15. I took 8 to start, then after 40 minutes which is when I usually feel effects coming on, I ate 3 more. The redose seemed to actually decrease any psychedelic effect. So although I got the mood elevation of a microdose, somewhere along the line I’m doing something wrong.
Fresh, the semperviva are very potent. I’ve tried the dried ones at very careful low doses and they seem fine. But the gummies almost seem like something special is missing. I dunno, like the soul is gone or something. So I wonder if multiple essential chemicals are being destroyed in the process somewhere. That said, I wouldn’t eat them like candy, they’re certainly not completely ineffective.
Next I might try a cold water extraction and see what happens.
I’ve been microdosing less since my larger dose on my third batch of gummies two weeks ago. My plan for now is to take somewhat larger doses twice or three times a month and microdose about once a week, maybe twice at most. I have been feeling like I should take a larger dose for about a week now.
On Monday I’d taken 7 of these batch 2 semperviva gummies which as you see from the recipe are 0.3 wet grams or 0.03 dry grams each, for my therapy session. I hadn’t really planned to, so it was a bit impulsive. And although the come up felt like oh shit, here we go, the whole effect seemed to dampen a bit at about 35-40 minutes and it didn’t really go anywhere if you know what I mean. My therapy session was productive though.
So last night I took three of these same gummies at bedtime. I was going to do a larger dose but I was having stomach issues so I settled for a microdose with ginger in it instead. I watched videos for a while, then went to the bathroom after maybe 45 minutes and to my surprise I was seeing faint but obvious OEV in the dark. It was sort of like an outlined 3D funnel that looked a bit like a graphic of a wormhole which was undulating and the visuals in general seemed a bit frantic. I was confused but pleasantly surprised. I considered taking a few more but decided to see where this was going for science.
I lay back down in bed and was seeing faint shadows of CEV, with a couple waves of “peaks” which were clearer. As my thoughts drifted, it was sort of like my thoughts became more visible. I drifted off a bit at one point and sort of dreamt/visualized that I was reaching for something and it exploded in my hand. That made me startle and pop back into my body and sat up, much more so than the usual “falling asleep “ startle, but it wasn’t scary or bad. The waves of peaks were like much milder forms of the peaks I had two weeks ago, clearer in terms of CEV than the rest of it and more intense. So it was definitely a low dose trip.
All that off of *three* 0.03 dry grams gummies. Weird, wtf? I enjoyed it though. Now I’m sort of wondering if feeling comfortable/relaxed/safe in my environment has an effect in a way because I don’t really understand how 7 on Monday was barely there, but 3 on Friday from the same batch was a definitely psychedelic low dose. Even purely in terms of tolerance that doesn’t make sense.
Two weeks ago I took about 6.5-7 wet grams’ worth of batch 3 gummies (the black currant-vanilla ones, made with fresh mushrooms), and I’d planned on eating 8 freshly picked grams of semperviva last night before my stomach started hurting. And now I’m wondering if that’s actually too much and if I got a sort of heads up from the mushrooms on that account 😅 is psychological resistance a factor in effect strength? It seems like it might be a factor here although I don’t understand how.
I saw a video which mentioned Maria Sabina and how after her life took a downturn after the article was published, the mushrooms locked her out—which I don’t recall hearing about specifically before. It struck me since I sort of wonder if they are gatekeeping my experience somehow.
Edited by Mycodemus (08/10/24 04:31 AM)
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