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How did marijuana first get into America?
    #2838051 - 06/29/04 01:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Seems like I read once that the very first white American pot smokers were Mormon missionaries who brought it back with them from Mexico in the late 1800's.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2838065 - 06/29/04 01:21 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure exactly, though I hear that Napoleon's soldiers were responsible for bringing it to Europe. Of course, hemp was already harvested as an industrial crop, but I don't think they knew about the psychoactive effects until they ventured into other areas of the globe where it was smoked.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2838067 - 06/29/04 01:23 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cu54.html

The first definite record of the marijuana plant in the New World dates from 1545 A.D., when the Spaniards introduced it into Chile. 1 It has been suggested, however, that African slaves familiar with marijuana as an intoxicant and medicine brought the seeds with them to Brazil even earlier in the sixteenth century. 2

There is no record that the Pilgrims brought marijuana with them to Plymouth but the Jamestown settlers did bring the plant to Virginia in 1611, and cultivated it for its fiber. 3 Marijuana was introduced into New England in 1629. 4 From then until after the Civil War, the marijuana plant was a major crop in North America, and played an important role in both colonial and national economic policy. In 1762, "Virginia awarded bounties for hemp culture and manufacture, and imposed penalties upon those who did not produce it." 5

George Washington was growing hemp at Mount Vernon three years later?? presumably for its fiber, though it has been argued that Washington was also concerned to increase the medicinal or intoxicating potency of his marijuana plants.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: trendal]
    #2838081 - 06/29/04 01:28 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

someone was just rattling on about a hemp
conspiracy theory....

something to the effect that it could totally
replace petroleum based products as fuel and
material.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: afoaf]
    #2838087 - 06/29/04 01:31 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Well I don't know about totally replace...at least not with our current petroleum consumption rates....but it could certainly be used for a wide variety of industrial processes.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: trendal]
    #2838091 - 06/29/04 01:32 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

but fuel for personal vehicles???


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: afoaf]
    #2838099 - 06/29/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If we can convert a diesel engine to run on used cooking oil, I'm sure we can figure out a way to use hemp oil :wink:


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: afoaf]
    #2838100 - 06/29/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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but fuel for personal vehicles???



I heard once that Woody Harrelson went around the country on a bus fueled by hemp oil. Typical Woody.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2838117 - 06/29/04 01:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

neil young's last tour, something like 5 diesel buses
and a couple peripheral vehicles all ran on some sort
of corn ethanol fuel.

it can be done...but on a wide scale??


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: afoaf]
    #2838140 - 06/29/04 01:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: afoaf]
    #2838162 - 06/29/04 01:52 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Neil Young's bus runs on hemp fuel, but I can't find anything on it. It was in a recent issue of Rolling Stone. It even showed a bottle of the fuel with Neil and his bus in the background.

Woody Harrelson is making a documentary about hemp fuel or something.

Go to www.hempcar.org to see a car that runs on hemp oil.

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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2838181 - 06/29/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Using hemp oil for fuel also completely removes the greenhouse gas factor involved in burning fossil fuels. The carbon in oil taken from a plant was taken from the atmosphere to begin with, and was taken only a short time ago. As you grow more of the plant to produce more oil, you extract roughly (or exactly?) the same ammount of carbon from the atmosphere as you will put back into it during burning.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: trendal]
    #2838211 - 06/29/04 02:06 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Using hemp oil for fuel also completely removes the greenhouse gas factor involved in burning fossil fuels. The carbon in oil taken from a plant was taken from the atmosphere to begin with, and was taken only a short time ago. As you grow more of the plant to produce more oil, you extract roughly (or exactly?) the same ammount of carbon from the atmosphere as you will put back into it during burning.




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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: Redo]
    #2838224 - 06/29/04 02:08 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I can't...

Oh wait! Lots of people in the oil business would lose their source of income :smirk:

Though, I expect, there would still be a HUGE and growing market for petrochemicals to be used for things other than energy production. Plastics are almost entirely derived from petrochemicals.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: trendal]
    #2838407 - 06/29/04 03:00 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

thats awsome, didtn know hemp could eb a combustable thing (well other than the obviouse). A couple years back there was a sprint plugged into our house. a normla plug where the gas inlet was, looked pretty fucking dope! is this an easy thign to do with deisels? liek the veggie oil? or do you need to do swaps and tons of mods?


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: Redo]
    #2838468 - 06/29/04 03:33 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Fossil fuels are cheaper.

Fuel made from organic sources (grown) would cost quite a bit more and take alot of natural resources to produce.

it would need to be grown organically or it would not produce more energy than it took to make it.

It is more economically feasable to turn fuel into plants and is the main reason food is as cheap as it is. First world agriculture techniques are highly petroleum dependant right now.

I believe we need to start genetically modifying more environmentally sound agricultural food products.


Also, all the fuel related things you can do with hemp, you can do with corn, kenaf, flax, potatoes, algae, tallow tree, etc...

The tallow tree, an invasive plant that has taken the fuck over parts of the south, produces 500 gallons (12 barrels) of fats and oils per acre per year (4,700 liters per hectare), but it is a bitch to harvest. GM as well as engineering have lots of potential in this market. GM algae probably has the best chance of really producing a bumper crop of oils per acre. The best current method for producing algae biomass for diesel is to just set up a water table and see what grows.

It is very difficult to maintain a clean culture with algaes. Pretty much whatever wants to grow will grow. You can just provide different environments that self select organisms from the wild.

Spirulina loves very alkaline high sodium carbonate medium. Chlorella performs well in a high density nutrient environment.

It is my belief that Chlorella could be made to produce more oils by converting the algal biomass to mosquito larvae biomass, which should process well into a sweet light crude. It would take a few million mosquito larvae to produce a gallon of fuel.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2838475 - 06/29/04 03:38 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yes the big "problem" with all this is that the ammount of energy we currently consume cannot be obtained, or at least obtained cheaply, from anything other than fossil fuels. If we are to move to a different source of energy, we will first have to drastically cut back our energy consumption.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: kadakuda]
    #2838481 - 06/29/04 03:42 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A diesel engine can be modified to burn straight vegetable or animal oil, or the oil can be modified to run in a regular diesel engine. Some rubber parts of the vehicle may need to be replaced with synthetics.

The process is related to the soapmaking process, but requires the addition of an alcohol, ethanol or methanol will work. The oil and alcohol are heated with lye and this produces biodiesel and glycerine soap.

In the straight oil engine, the oil must be heated to reduce it's viscosity before it is injected into the engine.

It is also possible to get energy from just chopping down hemp plants and burning them like coal using a steam turbine, or by reduction and distillation of zinc to be used in zinc air batteries.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2838838 - 06/29/04 08:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

a little migrating bird ate some seeds on the way back up and pooped them on to the american soil somewhere in the south-southwest... basic forestry 101.


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Re: How did marijuana first get into America? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2839806 - 06/29/04 02:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Fossil fuels are cheaper.

Fuel made from organic sources (grown) would cost quite a bit more and take alot of natural resources to produce.




I don't believe that. We spend billions and billions on war to obtain oil. We look the other way and let the Saudis do whatever they want all so we can have some oil. Also, hemp is a renewable resource. We can grow more every 6 months or so and it will never run out or only be found in certain places.

In the long run, hemp oil or any other kind of organic oil is WAY "cheaper" over all.






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