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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28105702 -

Really?! I've literally never seen a single one. Link to one if you can find it please.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers] * 4
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feevers said:
Anyone dumb enough to believe the spike protein is "one of the most toxic proteins known" is obviously dumb enough to believe all the other antivax nonsense.


I like the idea that
Getting a virus that they believe is a "Chinese bioengineered weapon" is better than getting vaccines made by "our government"

And while its not a chinese bioweapon and the vaccine isn't made ny the US government why would anyone prefer a whole live intact covid molecule over a deactivated part of it.

But wait covid is just a cold
But wait its a bioweapon
But the vaccine is a bioweapon
But support the country and military blindly or you're not a patriot
But not the vaccine

😂


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #28105744 -

The notion that getting an injection will prevent you from getting the china virus has been disproven. It doesn't prevent infection.

While I wouldn't say the injections were made directly by the government, you should really look at the NIH involvement in the development of said injections.

Traditional vaccines use attenuated viruses, or deactivated viruses, and I do believe in the functionality behind that method of inoculation. The problem that started the anti-vax movement long before COVID came around, and why I was an anti-vaxxer beforehand, stems from the adjuvants and preservatives that are added to those traditional vaccines. The adjuvants are only added to increase the immune response, which is measured by the number of antibodies a person's body creates after inoculation. More adjuvants = more immune response, but not necessarily more immune protection.

The rise of auto-immune diseases are directly attributed to the rise of number of vaccines injected into the general public. More immune response is not always a good thing.

The COVID injections only brought the anti-vax movement to the forefront with the first ever roll-out of mRNA technology being injected into billions of people worldwide. The mRNA injections have no attenuated viruses. The J&J injections do, but they are using adenoviruses instead of attenuated coronaviruses. The mRNA injections shouldn't even be allowed to be called vaccines. If I shit in a waffle cone and called it chocolate ice cream, would you take a bite?

It's also not fair for me to call it the china virus. It was created right here in the US before the research was moved to China and continued. That's why there was never a political response levied toward China, because it would have only revealed it's true origins. It is actually the US/China partnership virus.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #28105775 -

bodhisatta said:
feevers said:
Anyone dumb enough to believe the spike protein is "one of the most toxic proteins known" is obviously dumb enough to believe all the other antivax nonsense.


I like the idea that
Getting a virus that they believe is a "Chinese bioengineered weapon" is better than getting vaccines made by "our government"

And while its not a chinese bioweapon and the vaccine isn't made ny the US government why would anyone prefer a whole live intact covid molecule over a deactivated part of it.

But wait covid is just a cold
But wait its a bioweapon
But the vaccine is a bioweapon
But support the country and military blindly or you're not a patriot
But not the vaccine

😂


You also need to take your big pharma horse dewormer and experimental emergency-use only monoclonal antibodies to protect you from the hoax virus, because they're not made by the evil democrats who pushed the big pharma vaccine that the Trump campaign oversaw the roll out of and every other country (and intelligent person) on earth is also a supporter of.

These people are fucking retarded, and somehow getting dumber every day

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers] * 1
    #28105922 -

Dr Kerryn Phelps reveals ‘devastating’ Covid vaccine injury, says doctors have been ‘censored’

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/dr-kerryn-phelps-reveals-devastating-covid-vaccine-injury-says-doctors-have-been-censored/news-story/0c1fa02818c99a5ff65f5bf852a382cf

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers] * 2
    #28105946 -

this is the essence of information, psychological, cybernetic, neurological, sociological, cultural, economic warfare, and all of their kinds of social engineering.

there is evidence of tampering, and this is in violation of human non-consensual experimental protocols.

how will any government come clean from doing these crimes to their citizens?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: thealienthatategod] * 2
    #28105984 -

For the last fucking time, all medicine has rare risks. You are terrible at statistics if you think those risks are worse than the risks associated with an actual infection. It sucks that medicines have adverse effects on some people. But it sucks more when there's no medicine for a disease at all. any apparent collusion between doctors to cover up instances of adverse effects of the covid vaccine are directly related to the fact that people have been proven to suck at statistics, on average, and  therefore can't think rationally for themselves. Read the book "thinking, Fast and slow" by Daniel kahneman if you really want to understand. Antivaxxers who spend their time touting rare instances of adverse reactions to the vaccine while ignoring or rejecting the actual consequences of COVID on human society are people with system-one-determined behavior

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #28105997 -

"rare" :curbyourenthusiasm:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #28106004 -

the rule in drug development is that if you're in the pharmaceutical industry, you never ask any question that you aren't forced to ask because you may get an answer that you don't like.

the reason why the pharmaceutical companies are not doing it is it's not in their financial interest to do so. regulators have failed in requiring that the FDA fill in the blank. that's how that's ecosystem works. pharma will not do those studies, and governments will not fund those studies unless there is a forcing function that says you will do those studies because it's agreed, all of the regulations and documentation say that these things should have been done.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #28106016 -

Quote:
The COVID injections only brought the anti-vax movement to the forefront with the first ever roll-out of mRNA technology being injected into billions of people worldwide. The mRNA injections have no attenuated viruses. The J&J injections do, but they are using adenoviruses instead of attenuated coronaviruses.


The mRNA vaccines work essentially the same way the virus works. The virus enters a cell, its RNA is released  and is ratcheted through ribosome to make the protein structures of a new virus, including spike proteins. This cell recognizes that it is producing foreign proteins, and it places copies of these proteins on the surface of the cell and signals the immune system to sample these proteins to train naive b-cells to make protein specific antibodies.

The exact same process happens with the mRNA vaccines, except instead of creating entire self replicating viruses, it just makes the one protein. After that point, the immune response is exactly the same.

The fact is there is really not much of a difference between vaccine and natural immunity. Except of course, with infection you’re hosting billions of pathogens replicating in and destroying cells all over your body.

Anyone that is worried about spike proteins from the vaccines must be much more concerned about the out of control spike protein production that happens during infection. If you aren’t then you’re just an idiot.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
    #28106036 -

Quote:
the reason why the pharmaceutical companies are not doing it is it's not in their financial interest to do so. regulators have failed in requiring that the FDA fill in the blank. that's how that's ecosystem works


All fda approved drugs are under a constant regime of study. Clinical trials are intended to catch common adverse reactions, but obviously one in a million type adverse reactions will not usually appear in a study of 20,000 participant. That’s why the FDA requires post marketing surveillance to catch the rare events. A lot of these events will probably never be noticed because the signal is so small. No drug or vaccine is 100% but clinical trials weed out problems that are significant.

It’s kinda funny that people think the FDA doesn’t care about safety. It’s a ridiculous statement. If anything, the FDA over regulates. It is an unbelievably time consuming and expensive process to get FDA approval and they are very quick to nix trials at the first sign of any severe adverse results. There are a lot of a drugs you can get in other countries that have failed to be approved in the US.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 1
    #28106062 -

the FDA is an incredibly corrupt agency with many conflicts of interest.

4,500 FDA-approved medications are recalled a year, on average. 139 for deadly side effects. based on these figures, a dozen medications will be recalled this month because they kill people. so why are they fda-approved?

in part bc 75% of their drug review funding comes from the biopharmaceutical industry, which allows drug companies to get swiftly expedited reviews and approvals.

a majority of pharmaceutical drugs on the market are approved by the FDA through expedited reviews!  as one can infer, quick approvals means less rigorous testing of safety and efficacy.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: thealienthatategod] * 1
    #28106068 -

And there has been a revolving door policy where big pharma execs, as well as execs from Monsanto, (now owned by Bayer) are appointed to high ranking positions within the FDA so that they can ensure the shitshow continues uninterrupted.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #28106087 -

i have wondered if glyphosate is to blame for covid!

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 1
    #28106089 -

koods said:
Quote:
The COVID injections only brought the anti-vax movement to the forefront with the first ever roll-out of mRNA technology being injected into billions of people worldwide. The mRNA injections have no attenuated viruses. The J&J injections do, but they are using adenoviruses instead of attenuated coronaviruses.


The mRNA vaccines work essentially the same way the virus works. The virus enters a cell, its RNA is released  and is ratcheted through ribosome to make the protein structures of a new virus, including spike proteins. This cell recognizes that it is producing foreign proteins, and it places copies of these proteins on the surface of the cell and signals the immune system to sample these proteins to train naive b-cells to make protein specific antibodies.

The exact same process happens with the mRNA vaccines, except instead of creating entire self replicating viruses, it just makes the one protein. After that point, the immune response is exactly the same.

The fact is there is really not much of a difference between vaccine and natural immunity. Except of course, with infection you’re hosting billions of pathogens replicating in and destroying cells all over your body.

Anyone that is worried about spike proteins from the vaccines must be much more concerned about the out of control spike protein production that happens during infection. If you aren’t then you’re just an idiot.


Actually vaccine mediated immunity is stronger
Natural immunity is far less strong.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
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ruawakeyet said:
"rare" :curbyourenthusiasm:


What do you define as rare? Assuming an illness that causes death 1% of the time, and acute+chronic exacerbation of chronic disease wherever it exists at least 50% of the time: If a medicine prevents death/reduces severity (including the long term outcomes often claimed by antivaxxers, which are without a doubt associated with actual infection) in 999 out of 1000 people and does the opposite for one of them one of them, tell me what the rational response is.

Keep in mind there's a not insignificant chance you have one of those chronic diseases that covid exacerbates, but it just hasn't gotten bad enough for you to find out yet. I can't tell you how many times covid was the precipitator of people discovering they had diabetes or heart failure. Obviously the disease made it worse but they had it before and just kind of wrote it off

I once had a 31-year-old with type 1 diabetes so bad that when he got covid it very nearly killed him even though he was otherwise totally in shape and normal

Edited by morrowasted (12/21/22 03:32 AM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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Even if you alter the numbers a little bit the rational decision remains the same

I know too many people who have gotten covid and died. I do know quite a few people who took the vaccine and complained about it. I also know that none of those people were the people who died

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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As crazy as this kind of thing is, it’s totally in line with the kind of thing I’ve seen personally. My antivaxx friend has been so brainwashed by this shit he doesn’t believe viruses are pathogenic and he no longer takes the medication that keeps him from dying a horrible death.



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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: ruawakeyet] * 1
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ruawakeyet said:
Dr Kerryn Phelps reveals ‘devastating’ Covid vaccine injury, says doctors have been ‘censored’

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/dr-kerryn-phelps-reveals-devastating-covid-vaccine-injury-says-doctors-have-been-censored/news-story/0c1fa02818c99a5ff65f5bf852a382cf


What Dr Phelps says is reasonable and balanced, she is not a nutter unlike some other critics of the Covid vaccines. It is unfortunate and very bad luck that she has been vaccine injured, and doubly rare that her partner was also vaccine injured. This is one of those strange situations and immeasurably rare events like being struck by lightning twice, or winning the jackpot in Lotto twice. Two vaccine injuries in one family is almost unheard of I think.

I think it is fair to say that the truth is somewhere in between the vaccines being totally safe and the vaccines killing everyone who takes them. The risk of vaccine injury has been known from the start but perhaps the entire spectrum of risks including very very rare reactions cannot be fully understood in clinical trials. It becomes a balancing act of expediency in rolling out the vaccines and fully exploring their risks.

Nowhere does Dr Phelps suggests that the vaccines are bioweapons, or that Covid was made in a lab or other such kooky things.

In the fullness of time when we are able to reflect on this whole Covid thing the decision to roll out the vaccines quickly I believe will be shown to have been the right decision.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Warrk]
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That sounds extremely logical to me.  :rockon:


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