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Melbourne ID Request
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Hello,

Don’t think these are subs but would like a second opinion. 🤙🏻

Habitat: woods, under low lying trees , cold and wet
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Gills: light brown
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Stem: yellow / light yellow
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

Cap: golden brown - nipple
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

Spore print color: no spore test yet
Very important!

Bruising: no evident bruising
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

Other information: see pics













Edited by BubsMitcho (06/27/22 05:30 AM)

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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: BubsMitcho]
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If you'd to eat third od those mushrooms, you would be dead, because it is Galerina marginata.


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
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Last two pictures you edited in meanwhile are Hypholoma, perhaps Pholiota. Not active also.


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
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Ok thank you for your reply

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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: BubsMitcho]
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100% DEADLY GALERINAS do not consume!

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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: The Thing]
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Awesome looking flush tho...Definitely belongs in the beautiful and deadly thread.


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
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RenegadeMycologist said:
If you'd to eat third od those mushrooms, you would be dead, because it is Galerina marginata.




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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: HomelessSorcerer]
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I actually think these are Kuehneromyces mutabilis (the first 4 pics) because the caps are drying out from the centre so that the outer edge is darkest. Galerina marginata on the other hand, dries out paler from the rim towards the centre. Don't take my word for it though, and don't eat these. Even experts get confused between these species. A lot of Google images when you search for these seem to be misidentified (more so in searches for Galerina marginata as opposed to the other way around) which adds to the confusion.


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Edited by Duggstar (06/27/22 06:52 PM)

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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: Duggstar]
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What ? Absolutely not K. mutabilis. This is Galerina. Kuehneromyces mutabilis is basically a Pholiota in appearance, especially the cap. Lower stem is REALLY scaly. Gills are not this color. Hygrophanicity of the caps, I don't anything about it, I suppose it can go both ways.

This is bona fide K.mutabilis:

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kuehneromyces_mutabilis_BW46.JPG

https://www.naturfoto.cz/openka-menliva-fotografie-17443.html

As for other Kuehneromyces species, I highly doubt it, but they might come close, especially lignicola. This is still Galerina though.


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
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The pics are slightly out of focus, and the caps and the stems lose their Pholiota type appearance as they age. I don’t think they’re always as easy to differentiate as you think.


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: Duggstar]
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Pics in question look like Galerina to me.


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
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Just to show how similar they can look to Galerina marginata, here’s a Kuehneromyces I found a few years ago…








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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: Duggstar]
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Duggstar said:
The pics are slightly out of focus, and the caps and the stems lose their Pholiota type appearance as they age. I don’t think they’re always as easy to differentiate as you think.


There are a lot of young mushrooms here so I believe many would be covered in veil like young K.M. is. Although you are right and most are out of focus so perhaps I can't see it. But shaggy and scaly lower stem remains, and mushroom he's holding in #3 seems to me like a typical Gal. Sometimes Gals have that flocculose, almost scaly mycelium at the lower stem, but still not quite like the one Kuehneromyces has. I'm also accustomed on seeing Kuehneromyces in thick, fascicular, Armillaria like clusters, this is all over the place.

I am not sure where does the myth that K.M. and Galerina marginata are close lookalikes comes from, and that only with cap fading effect can be identified correctly. Seems like the tricks I've read about distinguishing Psathyrella delineata and Psathyrella rugocephala, which according to google searches and google images look indistinguishable. Actually it is only Psathyrella delineata on google, and rugocephala is a typical Lacrymaria.

I think people have no strong (or any) concept of some species and go by google searches, which is not correct in most cases.

And not trying to be a smartass now, but your collection also looks like Galerina to me. Even with what you'd call reverse fading effect which I think is also present in Galerina so it can't be used as a diagnostic criterion for Kuehneromyces. I know of only 3-4 species of Kuehnies and it took me awhile to learn how to tell them apart, and yours look like none of them. Have you done microscopy on your mushroom ?
I could change my mind if you provide me in situ photos, where I can observe the stem much better and can zoom in, also these seem to have a very orangish gills, but it's artificial lighting.

Sorry for long post, but here's one more example of the TRUE K.M. not Google interpretation but Alan's observation:
https://mushroomobserver.org/476253?q=1nCKP

And not to cherry pick ones with rich veil, here's one that lost it:
https://mushroomobserver.org/220086?q=1nCKb


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
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And not trying to be a smartass now, but your collection also looks like Galerina to me. Even with what you'd call reverse fading effect which I think is also present in Galerina so it can't be used as a diagnostic criterion for Kuehneromyces. I know of only 3-4 species of Kuehnies and it took me awhile to learn how to tell them apart, and yours look like none of them. Have you done microscopy on your mushroom ?


No I haven't done microscopy on that one. This was way back years ago. I thought it was Galerina marginata, but Alan Rockefeller ID'd it as Kuehneromyces, and in that thread he did say that the 'reverse fading effect' could be used as a diagnostic criterion for Kuehneromyces, or words to that effect...
Alan Rockefeller said:
Joust said:
Alan am i correct in saying that the direction that the hygrophanous cap dries is not indicative of the species?


No.


Also the spore print, as you can see in the pic, is what I would call cinnamon-red, not rusty brown, and is very similar to the spore prints from more obvious Kuehneromyces I have collected since.

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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: Duggstar]
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Not that my opinion matters......... But in all the years foraging for edibles in the woods I have come across so fucking many galerina, I have never seen one hygrophanous from the inside out. They all have been drying from the margin inwards.

:chump:


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: MentalPariah]
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Duggstar said:
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Well that is why MO is good for, you upload it and people vote. Seems to me there is no consensus on your mushroom. Alan's opinion is obviously more valuable than mine or some other people, but we're entitled to it. I would like to see your mushroom in natural lighting and while still unpicked to make my mind about it. With this only I think it is Galerina, but it's simply not enough for me to say with high certainty. It is not the subject of this thread anyway, nor my primary concern right now, what I am more sure of is identity of OPs mushrooms.

MentalPariah said:
Not that my opinion matters......... But in all the years foraging for edibles in the woods I have come across so fucking many galerina, I have never seen one hygrophanous from the inside out. They all have been drying from the margin inwards.


Your opinion matters. But now you thrown yourself into ID beef :dumblol:

I would say you didn't pay close attention on this effect every time. You can find in just a few minutes observations online from descent and experienced identifiers with pictures that exibit reverse fading effect (I coined this term, I don't know if there's a name for it, inside-out in your terms).
Like this one, you can obviously see in what direction fading is going:
https://mushroomobserver.org/480651?q=1nCa8

I already voiced my opinion on what is going on, when people find Galerina with reverse fading effect, they call it Kuehneromyces, due to a circulating myth that fading effect is diagnostically relevant. And if there is one Galerina with it, it's not. And there are plenty Galerinas with it. What is relevant is overall appearance and microscopy. So I think your mushroom book Dug is correct, and true Galerina is shown there. I won't argue further, I stated my case, and if we disagree, alright then.


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: MentalPariah]
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To be fair, I've been scrolling through some pics on iNaturalist, and at least some of the Galerinas appear to be drying from the inside out, and I would say they're definitely Galerina. So maybe I have been misinformed.

However, I still think that some older Kuehneromyces can be deceptive.


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
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RenegadeMycologist said:
Duggstar said:
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Well that is why MO is good for, you upload it and people vote. Seems to me there is no consensus on your mushroom. Alan's opinion is obviously more valuable than mine or some other people, but we're entitled to it. I would like to see your mushroom in natural lighting and while still unpicked to make my mind about it. With this only I think it is Galerina, but it's simply not enough for me to say with high certainty. It is not the subject of this thread anyway, nor my primary concern right now, what I am more sure of is identity of OPs mushrooms.

MentalPariah said:
Not that my opinion matters......... But in all the years foraging for edibles in the woods I have come across so fucking many galerina, I have never seen one hygrophanous from the inside out. They all have been drying from the margin inwards.


Your opinion matters. But now you thrown yourself into ID beef :dumblol:

I would say you didn't pay close attention on this effect every time. You can find in just a few minutes observations online from descent and experienced identifiers with pictures that exibit reverse fading effect (I coined this term, I don't know if there's a name for it, inside-out in your terms).
Like this one, you can obviously see in what direction fading is going:
https://mushroomobserver.org/480651?q=1nCa8

I already voiced my opinion on what is going on, when people find Galerina with reverse fading effect, they call it Kuehneromyces, due to a circulating myth that fading effect is diagnostically relevant. And if there is one Galerina with it, it's not. And there are plenty Galerinas with it. What is relevant is overall appearance and microscopy. So I think your mushroom book Dug is correct, and true Galerina is shown there. I won't argue further, I stated my case, and if we disagree, alright then.



I said in MY OBSERVATIONS this is what I'VE observed. We can't all be fungal diagnosticians like you sir!! :nerd:




I also just like stirring the pot when you're riled up :laugh2:


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: MentalPariah]
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MentalPariah said:
We can't all be fungal diagnosticians like you sir!! :nerd:


Cut the crap, you have an eye for mushrooms, and experience, so obviously your opinion triggers me. It's not like some random noob bombed in with - hey gals always fade inwards.


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Re: Melbourne ID Request [Re: RenegadeMycologist] * 1
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RenegadeMycologist said:
MentalPariah said:
We can't all be fungal diagnosticians like you sir!! :nerd:


Cut the crap, you have an eye for mushrooms, and experience, so obviously your opinion triggers me. It's not like some random noob bombed in with - hey gals always fade inwards.


Hence why I know what buttons to push :scandalous:


You know you missed me :mjdance:


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