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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: theRealrollforever]
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just the flu

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 3
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
It's a "stupid decision" in YOUR opinion.

I have had zero consequences for not being vaccinated.  I do however know at least five people who have made the "smart decision"(lol) and have had bloodclots since getting vaccinated.






I love how you people keep making up these silly personal anecdotes/lies. It must suck to not have data to backup your nonsense.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: viraldrome] * 1
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
It's a "stupid decision" in YOUR opinion.

I have had zero consequences for not being vaccinated.  I do however know at least five people who have made the "smart decision"(lol) and have had bloodclots since getting vaccinated.





viraldrome said:
I love how you people keep making up these silly personal anecdotes/lies. It must suck to not have data to backup your nonsense.



You are impersonal and have set up a new branch of govt to memory hole dissenting opinions. In a medical system overrun by conspicuous diversity hires, tenured bureaucrats are not necessarily entitled to an opinion, on political grounds.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: durian_2008] * 2
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You gotta give it to him though, a candian drug forum member establishing an entire branch of government in the United States is one hell of an accomplishment.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: durian_2008] * 1
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https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/fully-vaccinated-gorilla-dies-of?s=r

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Apparently, a previously healthy gorilla died suddenly and unexpectedly of “multiple organ failure”.



(But, not vaccination.)

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Meet Martha’s human counterpart, Kassidi Kurill: she also died of multiple organ failure.



(But, not vaccination.)

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Institutionalized said:
I went to your schools
I went to your churches
I went to your institutional learning facilities!



Quote:
The Science said:
My primary resources are peer pressure and authoritarianism. You will never find me in broad daylight. I am not subject to arrest. Don't do your own research.



:spock:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: durian_2008] * 4
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It's funny how when an "antivaxxer" shares their personal experience we're making up anecdotes but when it comes from the other side it's "facts"

Call me whatever you want, however you all are truly delusional if you don't realize how biased you are in your own right.

It really must suck to have been advocating for these shots since day one and everyday we get more and more wise to how shitty they are.  I'm sorry guys maybe it's time to have a beer and move on.  Covid is endemic now just like we all said it would whether or not we got vaccinated.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 3
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Because antivaxxers are usually full of shit.

We had a moderator antivaxxer in this thread pretending he was a doctor (he really used to be a physician assistant decades ago), we had Enkidu claiming he was a college graduate (when saying in another thread he never finished), virtually every antivaxxer that comes in here magically knows people who have died or been seriously injured by the vaccines. 

The fact is that statistically there's no argument for the dumb things that you and the other antivaxxers are saying, so you/they just make shit up and lie to prove your point because that's the only way you can pretend to be right. Pretty pathetic use of your time, imagine if instead you sat down and cracked open an immunology textbook book or something, and actually embraced reality instead of deliberately dissociating from it.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers] * 2
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The only thing most of us have dissociated from is the media which if you can honestly say isn't full of shit then I feel sorry for you.

Its really not that far fetched an idea to live in and embrace reality but not want a covid shot. You can cite science and won't get any argument from me.  But the integrity of the people carrying out that science in the real world, that I have zero faith in.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 3
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Yes, the media is full of shit. When CNN tells me who got elected governor in my state, it's fake news. When FOX news reports on a major car crash, it's all lies and crisis actors. Even the box at the bottom of the screen with the date and time is suspect.

Being a well-adjusted adult involves understanding that most things aren't black and white. The mainstream media is extremely biased just like any other individual or source of information is biased, that doesn't mean if MSNBC says the sky is blue I'll go on the shroomery and rant about how the sky must not actually be blue and all the blue-skyers on here are sheep... especially when probably close to 0 people on here even watch MSNBC.

With something like covid there are now nearly endless sources of data to use to understand the virus and the vaccine, they have nothing to do with the mainstream media. If you believe that every single private/independent or government research agency, university, biotech company, hospital etc on the planet that have been working with covid could all be in on some major conspiracy together... that's not critical thinking or being open-minded, that's paranoid schizophrenia.

I don't care if anyone gets a Covid shot. Why don't you explain why so many of you need to lie and make shit up to try to convince people (or yourself?) that you made the smarter decision? Shouldn't truth and facts be enough if that were the case?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 4
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
The only thing most of us have dissociated from is the media which if you can honestly say isn't full of shit then I feel sorry for you.



The news can be are wrong sometimes, and commercial cable news is generally pretty loaded with editorial bias, but this realization seems to be so worldshaking for some people that they flock to information sources with far less credibility. Often they compare it to the scene in The Matrix where Neo takes a red pill, causing him to wake up to the true reality that the world is much shittier than he had previously thought.

:mindblown:

Being "redpilled" is good to these people, but "woke" is somehow bad although it works on pretty much an identical awakening metaphor (awakened to the wrong viewpoints I guess.) From what I've seen, the "redpilling" process goes something like this:

Mainstream news/expertise can be trusted unquestioningly => Mainstream news/expertise can be wrong => Mainstream news/expertise is always wrong (the "redpilling" switch-flipping moment occurs somewhere around here) => Contrarian news/expertise can be trusted unquestioningly

A lot of people progress from step 1 to step 2 by the time they finish high school, and more or less stay there. Healthy skepticism in evaluating information and information sources. The experts can be wrong, but that doesn't mean that they are always wrong and the fringe "experts" are always right.

But the late bloomers seem to be more susceptible to this "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" redpilling moment. They went through more of their lives before it occurred to them that the information sources they had previously trusted were fallible, so the experience was especially jarring. In reality they haven't really progressed in critical thinking much beyond step 1 though. They're just drinking from a different tap now.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: psi] * 1
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Dr Alan Cantwell, M.D.full"
Article from Dr Alan Cantwell, M.D. reproduced here

http://cidpusa.org/london_times__smallpox_vaccine.htm

On May 11, 1987, The London Times, one of the world's most respected newspapers, published an explosive article entitled, "Smallpox vaccine triggered AIDS virus."

The story suggested the smallpox eradication vaccine program sponsored by the WHO (World Health Organization) was responsible for unleashing AIDS in Africa. Almost 100 million Africans living in central Africa were inoculated by the WHO (World Health Organization). The vaccine was held responsible for awakening a "dormant" AIDS virus infection on the continent.




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COVID-19 vaccination and HIV-1 acquisition
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00329-4/fulltext



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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: psi] * 3
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psi said:
JohnnyTripsAlot said:
The only thing most of us have dissociated from is the media which if you can honestly say isn't full of shit then I feel sorry for you.



The news can be are wrong sometimes, and commercial cable news is generally pretty loaded with editorial bias, but this realization seems to be so worldshaking for some people that they flock to information sources with far less credibility. Often they compare it to the scene in The Matrix where Neo takes a red pill, causing him to wake up to the true reality that the world is much shittier than he had previously thought.

:mindblown:

Being "redpilled" is good to these people, but "woke" is somehow bad although it works on pretty much an identical awakening metaphor (awakened to the wrong viewpoints I guess.) From what I've seen, the "redpilling" process goes something like this:

Mainstream news/expertise can be trusted unquestioningly => Mainstream news/expertise can be wrong => Mainstream news/expertise is always wrong (the "redpilling" switch-flipping moment occurs somewhere around here) => Contrarian news/expertise can be trusted unquestioningly

A lot of people progress from step 1 to step 2 by the time they finish high school, and more or less stay there. Healthy skepticism in evaluating information and information sources. The experts can be wrong, but that doesn't mean that they are always wrong and the fringe "experts" are always right.

But the late bloomers seem to be more susceptible to this "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" redpilling moment. They went through more of their lives before it occurred to them that the information sources they had previously trusted were fallible, so the experience was especially jarring. In reality they haven't really progressed in critical thinking much beyond step 1 though. They're just drinking from a different tap now.



That's a good description. I remember going through it myself in my teens, I spent a ton of nights just smoking weed and watching conspiracy videos and having my mind blown. It wasn't until years later when I had a little more real-world experience that I realized the people behind those videos were typically just doing a smaller-scaled version of what they were "exposing" in the videos... manipulating the truth in an attempt to brainwash people for financial or ideological purposes.

Nothing at the time would have convinced me I was wrong... I was even antivax at one point and lied my way into a vaccine exemption for college. Pretty much textbook dunning-kruger, I didn't have the slightest idea how a vaccine even worked but I was 100% convinced I didn't want that shit in my body and that there was something nefarious behind my school requiring it. It would actually be kind of nice if reality really were that simple

I just had my boomer father in law talking to me about Zeitgeist a year or two back... he was fully bought in. Like you said I think when you get exposed to this kind of stuff later on in life it's just kind of too much and it melts your brain.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: durian_2008] * 1
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Quote:
But the late bloomers seem to be more susceptible to this "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" redpilling moment.



My parents gave me modest rewards for being on the honor role, every quarter, but the police tried to take me away.

I can literally live-off grid. I find the work meditative, but am grateful for modernities, if I am tired or injured.

Though I am about 1 generation from a few shithole countries, it would never have occurred to me to demonstrate by wrecking the cityscape and infrastructure.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: durian_2008] * 3
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There’s a distinct lack with rights of passage.
There’s the distortion.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: ModularMind] * 1
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https://www.ournewearthnews.com/2022/05/07/shanghai-surprise-nursing-home-ships-living-person-to-a-morgue-in-a-bodybag/

Collectivized healthcare reportedly pays the doctor for shots, ventilators, and saying that the patient has died with Covid.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: durian_2008] * 1
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:billseal:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: ModularMind] * 2
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Lol, idk how not wanting a shot automatically equates to conspiracy. 

I'm not running around blowing a whistle.  I'm actually pretty consistent.  I believe that the risk outweighs the benefit. You tell me how small the risk is and I'll argue how the benefit is even smaller. :shrug: 

Most of the world doesn't give a fuck anymore.  Again covid is basically endemic now the way we've all been saying it would be regardless of whether or not we got vaxxed


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 3
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
I'm actually pretty consistent.  I believe that the risk outweighs the benefit. You tell me how small the risk is and I'll argue how the benefit is even smaller. :shrug:



And if you're shown evidence that it's actually the other way around and the risk from the shot is smaller than the risk if you don't get the shot, you'll... (?)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 4
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
Lol, idk how not wanting a shot automatically equates to conspiracy. 

I'm not running around blowing a whistle.  I'm actually pretty consistent.  I believe that the risk outweighs the benefit. You tell me how small the risk is and I'll argue how the benefit is even smaller. :shrug: 



But you’re wrong


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: psi]
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psi said:
And if you're shown evidence that it's actually the other way around and the risk from the shot is smaller than the risk if you don't get the shot, you'll... (?)



How do you compare the risks when (for years) they refused to describe and quantify the risks?

Have they even done that now?  Maybe I missed it . . .

"The risks of taking the vaccine include the following" . . .

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