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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
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Hey woodlovers!  :hi:

This thread is probably filled with good info, and I plan to work my way through it. But I haven't gotten there yet. Are there any written teks out there?

I see this mycotopia one that you posted, holofractal. Lots of good info there, but I'm wondering if ya'll know of any others I could also pull from

I have an allenii print I'm ready to start working with. They grow wild where I live, but I'd like to try some indoor grows (if that's even worth my time). As of now, I'm curious about culture selection on agar and if it's important to the degree that pan culture selection is.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDoobsker]
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Well I have recovery in the expected time, which is very nice to see given the slow decay rate of wood, and its low nutrient count, plus the age of the spawn.
The spawn, as normal, has fused back together, and started decaying and colonizing the WL-Tek substrate, I expect speed improvements.

Please note, cellulose is slow to decay and there is normally not much nutrients (NPK, etc), unlike grain (starch).

       

:waitingpatiently:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal] * 1
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holofractal said:
Little update on the allenii, they are looking fantastic!






Next day



Absolutely loving the progress!


Very pretty. I had to quote this just because...


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nichrome]
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Save some print!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 2
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Got bored, here's some images, I will take more in 4-5 days, starting to speed up which is nice.
So far, I cant really tell the spawn is over 2.5 years old, and its plain wood.

       


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
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Awesome how resilient they are, isn't it?

How was the spawn stored? Fridge? Room temp?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 2
    #27471783 -

Little bigger today on allenii, about to harvest some.

Biggest one, cap hasn't even opened all the way!



My favorite cluster growing up


Some other spots



Check this primordia :laugh:


I also took some great macro of a cap/gills!



Not really seeing much action on the other patches unfortunately, but I am not giving up my hopes. Still September, or that's what I keep telling myself lol. I am fighting the wind the best I can, which is why stipe on some is bluing. Troubles of an outdoor grow, nature is very hard to fight. I have a new mister timer that is gonna be here today that will allow me to have it go off every 15 minutes instead of every hour, which for a windy day, 1 hour between misting is not good enough.

One of these days I definitely need to create a journal, to detail my success start to finish. I'd love to see people grow more of these. I suspect I may have just gotten lucky with good genes with my spore/culture selection, but if I can reproduce this from spore which I most definitely am going to do, perhaps allenii might be a good cultivation species.


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I do a lot of indoor experiments. I, one day, WILL figure out a surefire method for indoor woodlovers. Nothing is impossible.

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Indoor woodlover information - condensed
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
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I’m interested in those misters.  Any details as far as brand and how you plumb them?


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A woodlover genetic theory
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
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@Adas, stored in a fridge for over 2.5 years, unmodified wood spawn. They resist a good level of contams, I'd say similar to oysters.

Edit: They are colonizing at room temperature, they only need cold to fruit not colonize.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
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So I made a blunder, and I will be honest. I forgot that if I add wood or tea to WL-Tek, usually just paper, germination of lignicolous (wood-loving) fungi goes from 2% to 100%.
Normally I just do paper pellets, and can go for 8+ months without germination (open air assembly), the difference is lignin's and other phenols.

I will another one but with just paper, which will be a bit slower. If you want vigorous germination in 4-5 days, add wood.

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Educational sub note:

For a substrate to open air safe it must be free of sugar and starch, in terms of lignicolous fungi, also free of lignin and other plant phenols.

Another example, is other types of soluble carbon sources (the above are carbon sources), such as calcium bicarbonate.
Plasterboard is acid-free paper with calcium-other (plaster) in-between, when wet, it can germinate mold.

Water + calcium carbonate + CO2 (environmental in this case) = soluble calcium bicarbonate.
Note, When mycelium germinate and grow, it inhales O2 and exhales CO2.


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Edited by Ferather (09/20/21 05:06 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Ferather]
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Ferather, are the paper pellets you use sold as pet littler?  What’s the source for them?


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Moricz cellar
D3’s agar tek
A woodlover genetic theory
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout]
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This is all you should need:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CWC9NPJ/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0995YSL61/

I typically don't like smart devices, but this one wasn't too bad to set up honestly, probably one of the better ones I've had to use. Nothing but this mister would allow me to set a constant schedule. I have it mist every 15m for 1m. I do not fear wind anymore.


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I am open to questions about wood lovers, I don't know everything, but if you like my posts and have a question, feel free to ask in a PM
I do a lot of indoor experiments. I, one day, WILL figure out a surefire method for indoor woodlovers. Nothing is impossible.

Indoor Woodlover experimentation Journal
Indoor woodlover information - condensed
Indoor azurescens :laugh:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Land Trout] * 3
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P. azurescens flower pots: Season 6.  Let the madness begin! 

The nights are cooling off and these showed up last week.  One month ahead of the usual schedule.  All three pots are throwing out pins.  These sat dry for spring/summer, and I had mixed in fresh chips sometime in early August.  Pretty quick turnaround time.  Now we have hot, dry and windy weather to deal with.  Gotta be a little more hands-on.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: elpico]
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So here is the contaminated substrate and Azures, the Azures colonize densely but slowly. I have various lignicolous fungi contams.
I am going to leave it, to see how well the Azures compete, or until something tries to grow out of the container (lol).

So far when I have had this happen (by adding wood, tea), I have only ever got lignicolous contamination.

       

I recharged my torch in case you are wondering.

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Here is some old images of WL-Tek (see here) and added tea, look closely and you can see the white-rot action.
This is due to the decay of plant phenols (from tea in this case), which are soluble (or mostly).

       


Here is Cubensis then Azures on T-Gel (tea agar, see here).

   

   

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@Land Trout, here is an image of the acid-free paper pellets I use. Chemical and additive free, no bullshit, nearly all complex cellulose.
Use clean grain-seed spawn for best results (contains starch, other), with complex, slow release cellulose.

Both starch and cellulose are carbohydrates, more enzymes = more, faster decay.
You can add nutrients, but not sugar, starch, plant phenols.



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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27857366#27857366

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: elpico] * 1
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Nice job man! I got my dune grass / azure that should fruit as it is culture, same culture I used for my indoor endeavors, so I don't see why it wouldn't. I do have a ~3x2.5' azure patch from spore but they are fickle and will do as they wish lol. I have a small psilocybe subaeruginosa patch too but if the cyans and allenii are popping, I feel like they should be too, or any day now. Allenii has the cyanescens dusted! Allenii, second flush is starting to push while cyans are just coming up 😂 little slowpokes

I got some awesome pics last few days. Psilocybe cyanescens fruiting right out of a crack in a single wood chip.



Allenii harvest yesterday.


Some absolute monster allenii, giving azures a run for their money in the size department. I swear they kinda do look like cyans but not consistently wavy, but I ordered the spores from a decent shop and they said allenii, so I'm just gonna go with that. I expected a different mushroom though. Perhaps the morphology is quite varied.

I also wanted to postulate something. We know wood lovers can be fickle, well I feel like potentially using a monoculture from spore could be detrimental, as you really only have one shot. Perhaps it could be better idk, using a few distinct cultures from one print to create a patch to increase chances of fruiting? I know that does increase the setup work some but I feel as of the benefits could outweigh the troubles.

I was talking to someone who said that azures for instance, have a large mycelial mat but relative to the size that, a small fruiting area; only some of the mycelium is capable of primordia formation. I am not knowledgeable enough to say if this is accurate or not, which is why I thought I'd ask here.


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Woodlover lover!
I am open to questions about wood lovers, I don't know everything, but if you like my posts and have a question, feel free to ask in a PM
I do a lot of indoor experiments. I, one day, WILL figure out a surefire method for indoor woodlovers. Nothing is impossible.

Indoor Woodlover experimentation Journal
Indoor woodlover information - condensed
Indoor azurescens :laugh:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
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Beautiful fruiting! Though I doubt that any of your fruits can rival my 2.2g dry Azzy monster from last year.


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My First Panaeolus Cyanescens Grow!
Psilocybe azurescens photo compilation 2020
Azurescens in June!

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
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2.2g?!?! Hot damn I do not think I can beat that haha.  I'll weigh this one once it is dry, probably going to be maybe 1 gram, maybe more idk yet, still printing to save :smile:


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Woodlover lover!
I am open to questions about wood lovers, I don't know everything, but if you like my posts and have a question, feel free to ask in a PM
I do a lot of indoor experiments. I, one day, WILL figure out a surefire method for indoor woodlovers. Nothing is impossible.

Indoor Woodlover experimentation Journal
Indoor woodlover information - condensed
Indoor azurescens :laugh:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal] * 2
    #27476895 -

Thanks!  Always an exciting time of year.  I was definitely caught off guard by the early pinning.

Regarding your comments about MS woodlover grows.  I definitely agree that there is the possibility of isolating good looking growth on agar from spores, but in fact having a non-fruiting culture.  Especially with a wild print.  One would then get to the end of the season and never know for sure why the bed never fruited.  For this reason, I always strive to clone wild fruits.  I have multiple lines that I created this way, and it takes a lot of the guesswork out.  If starting from spores, I would definitely do as you suggest, and throw a bunch of different MS cultures in the mix, then clone off of that.

Great looking harvest, keep the updates coming!

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: elpico] * 1
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Exactly, glad to see I am not having crazy thoughts lol. It just makes sense to me. Like you said, there is absolutely nothing more disappointing than spending a whole year going from spore to waiting for fruits and having nothing to show for it. All that work, all the time and wood chips.

So yes, I do need to get more azure clones this season. Personally I am going to run spore beds and culture beds next year just to have that genetic diversity. I think maybe some species are less of a pain than others. I actually got ahold of allenii as I kept seeing mentions of a potentially good cultivation species. To my surprise I am getting very nice fruits, and I got this patch in the ground in April. It's a gamble. I need to run more beds from spore to even have a chance of assessing which species may be easier, and even then it could be a matter of my genetic material, so for that to be anything valid I would need to aquire spores from unrelated patches. Something I could do, it's just work. I'm not in this for financial reasons, just curiosity and fun, so I would not mind, just takes time.

I swear man, I feel like when you have to wait for something you almost cherish it more. Sounds weird but I am pretty attached to my patches lol.

I have some ideas for indoor experiments as well. I've only managed fruits indoors on cultures, even with simulation of climate they experience outdoors and additionally using the same soil as my beds outside, nothing from spore, but I suspect this is again from bad luck with monoculture, as the outdoor beds I've made with with mycelium have yet to produce this year. I have 2 cyan lineages going. One is my 4 year old patch, and another is new from spore this year. Azure and cyan I have done indoors from culture and it's pretty easy if you do it right. Spore is the ultimate challenge. Tricky little things. You don't know if either you got bad genetics or you didn't do something right.

Edit: Oh yes I forgot my idea lol. My idea being I am going to perhaps use some baking trays to make some indoor cakes from culture and "condense" the seasons, and see how hard I can push them to fruit, cycling trays, some vegetative, some dry "season", some fruiting. That will only lead to more questions. How long on the same substrate can I do this? Getting timing right, tweaking indoor parameters, etc. I'm working on that stuff just being a slow ass.


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Woodlover lover!
I am open to questions about wood lovers, I don't know everything, but if you like my posts and have a question, feel free to ask in a PM
I do a lot of indoor experiments. I, one day, WILL figure out a surefire method for indoor woodlovers. Nothing is impossible.

Indoor Woodlover experimentation Journal
Indoor woodlover information - condensed
Indoor azurescens :laugh:

Edited by holofractal (09/21/21 02:26 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: holofractal]
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Waiting for something definitely makes you appreciate it more. But I can also say that from my experience growing Pans, the entire process is VERY quick, yet I'm always thrilled like a child on Christmas when harvesting them.

Nothing beats the ability of woodlovers to survive winters and spread on their own tho!


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Work hard, play harder, trip the hardest.

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Semi-Sterile TEK (SS-TEK)
Growing Panaeolus bisporus - The Low-Tech approach
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My First Panaeolus Cyanescens Grow!
Psilocybe azurescens photo compilation 2020
Azurescens in June!

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