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OfflineScRUfF
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Amanita muscaria in australia
    #2727276 - 05/25/04 12:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone!
I have been looking over a few sites and I have come across an interesting piece of info. One site claimed that while a shroom may be "Safe" to eat when grown in one part of the world, and deadly when grown somwhere else (Wild shrooms obviously).
Is this true or just paranoid people?
In my front yard there is an ABUNDANCE of Amanita Muscaria growing, at least i'm pretty sure thats what they are, I will post pic's in a few hours (the sun isn't up yet and i aint going out in the cold to take pic's :P).
What I want to know is this, are Amanita Muscaria's that grow in NSW Australia "Safe" to consume? Are there any Australian's here that have experimented with them? If so I would love any feedback you can offer!!
Thanks heaps!

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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: ScRUfF]
    #2727387 - 05/25/04 01:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Certainly the levels of toxins in various mushrooms can vary considerably from place to place and season to season. Specimens of the various deadly Amanita species turn up fairly often that just happen to have none of the deadly toxins in them. On the other hand, species that are considered deadly are considered so pretty much everywhere they are found. And edible species are edible wherever found.

A more likely problem they are considering is misidentification of mushrooms. One of the most common causes of poisonings is people eating mushrooms here that look to them just like mushrooms they used to eat over there. In the US, one of the really dangerous versions of this story is people from southeast Asia mistaking Amanita phalloides (a deadly mushroom) for a species of Volvariella that is commonly cultivated and eaten in southeast Asia. It seems we get a repeat of this story every couple years and it generally seems to involve a family of immigrants who have picked and eaten mushrooms for their entire lives. They don't have the deadly Amanita species in their original home area, so they aren't aware of the risk thye are taking.

Amanita muscaria has caused fatalities, but fatalities are rare and generally associated with eating large amounts.

Before you eat any of them, make sure you read up on them in detail. The vast majority of people who try them find them extremely unpleasant. A lot of those people find them unpleasant enough to get themselves to an emergency room.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2729652 - 05/25/04 10:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: ScRUfF]
    #2729737 - 05/25/04 10:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for your help ToxicMan!
Do people end up in the emergency room because the trip is just too intense or because they are actually ill or poisoned?
I have read a fair bit on these mushrooms, but many sources offer conflicting info, which makes it hard to come to an informed descision!
Are the mushrooms in the pic Amanita Muscaria's? They sure look like them! There are another two pics in my profile if anyone would care to see them.
Thanks everyone!


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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: ScRUfF]
    #2729886 - 05/25/04 11:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The main reason people end up in an emergency room is because they feel extremely sick. The typical symptoms of Amanita muscaria poisoning are:
> Nausea and vomiting
> Confusion or delirium
> Incoordination and ataxia, dizziness
> Alternation between lethargy and euphoric and manic behavior
> Progressive, deep, comalike sleep
> Hallucinations - visual distortions
> Muscle cramps and spasms
> Rarely, generalized seizures
> Hangover headaches are common

Onset of symptoms is typically 30 to 120 minutes.
Symptoms peak in 2 to 5 hours.
Total duration of symptoms is 8 to 24 hours.


The people I know personally who have tried them have all said they don't want to try them again. I know there are some people out here who say they like them, but the people who like them are very much in the minority. Most people seem to find the symptoms to be very unpleasant.

The specimens in your photos certainly look like Amanita muscaria to me.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2730272 - 05/26/04 12:24 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hey.... just thought i'd share some pics of the fly agaric... found in central victoria, australia...

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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: Smiley_Riley]
    #2730828 - 05/26/04 03:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, they seem to be poppin up everywhere around me too (Melbourne) although you would need to pay me to eat one, i have heard to many ill fated stories.

Not worth it in my opinion.
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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: ScRUfF]
    #2731130 - 05/26/04 06:49 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

We were warned that we would regret trying them by the old shroomer in the ACT (Australia) that tought us the ways of the psilocybes there... good advice going on the vast majority of reports here... it's just not worth the risk, stick with the psilocybes (there are plenty in NSW so I'm told, though admittably I have no experience with hunting in NSW), even if you have to wait a while to find/ get some... nice pic though !
(incidentally, reports in scientific journals suggest there is zero psilocin/ psilocybin in amanitas...)


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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: suboriginal]
    #2734948 - 05/27/04 02:21 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed the experiences with this mushroom do seem to vary a lot from person to person, but I have a possible theory on this.
You are correct Suboriginal, there is zero Psylocin/Psilocybin in Amanitas. They contain Muscimol and Ibotenic acid.
Ibotenic acid seems to be the culpret for nausia and illness, BUT when Amanitas are dried/heated the Ibotenic acid is converted to Musimol. This conversion also happens naturally in the body, which is why urine is recycled.
My theory is that proper drying processes are not followed by people who have a bad experience and get ill, also, if a smaller amount of Amanita is consumed and urine recycling is performed, the intake of unconverted Ibotenic acid is greatly reduced while the Mucimol intake should still be right up there.
Any thoughts?


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    #2735208 - 05/27/04 03:42 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: zebes]
    #2735304 - 05/27/04 04:15 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

My thoughts exactly zebes !! But interesting info' on the chemistry of amanitas scruff...
Cheers!


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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: suboriginal]
    #2735549 - 05/27/04 07:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I imagine that recycline urine is somthing that would turn most people off, but that is half the point! It takes a very emotionaly mature person to put aside the preconceptions that society drills into us from birth, including recycling urine. "Sorting the men from the boys" you may say. In my opinion, from the research that I have done, if your mind is not yet free enough from the shackles that keep it bound to conformity, then you are not ready to partake in such a gift. My interest in shrooms/amanitas is not that of a recreational drug, my cause is a spiritual one.

Maybe I should change my nick to "Piss drinker" eh?


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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: ScRUfF]
    #2735563 - 05/27/04 08:02 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Some muscarias from SA




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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: ScRUfF]
    #2740653 - 05/28/04 09:39 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Chuckle, 'Piss-Taker' would be more in keeping with your Aussieness (I seem to find myself making up a lot of words in these threads, for some reason...) mate.


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Re: Amanita muscaria in australia [Re: tryptonite]
    #2740747 - 05/28/04 10:17 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The yellow-oranged caps of of Amanita found in Australia are amanita muscaria var. formosa.

The bright red ones are just plain, Amanita muscaria

have a shroomy day and great score and nice photos.

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