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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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You don't notice an overwhelming abundance of cold war posture and propaganda on both sides?

Seriously?


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Morel Guy said:
Only reason Trump pulled out of Syria is he's budding up to Putin.


Syria is finally relatively peaceful.  Does supporting peace mean supporting Putin?


I doubt there is peace in Syria at all.  Care to prove it is?


So you're saying we're at war in Syria, even though you previously tried to argue that Trump "is budding up to Putin" in Syria.  Which is it?



Morel Guy said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Morel Guy said:
Civilian deaths are not a margin to measure war.  Money flowing in, influx of weapons, military action is a much better measure.


We send a ton of weapons to Australia.  Who are we at war with there?


Chinese

You don't notice an overwhelming abundance of cold war posture and propaganda on both sides?


I don't equate cold war to war.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
There's still time for war.  Fox is running a story about Iran drone striking Saudi oil plants.


Houthi rebels in Yemen claimed responsibility for the attack.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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You don't equate Cold WAR to war?  That's because you have no idea what happens in a cold war that is actually very much a hot war.

It's just not full blown war.  They snoop and poop and everything they can so if they get a green light to start launching air bombing campaigns.

Syria started before Trump.  There's been a degrading of US support in Syria since Trump.  That doesn't mean the conflict is over, it means that the President is not committed.

So basically another loss for the USA.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Morel Guy said:
There's still time for war.  Fox is running a story about Iran drone striking Saudi oil plants.


Houthi rebels in Yemen claimed responsibility for the attack.



Who's their handler?

Hint hint Iran.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
You don't equate Cold WAR to war?  That's because you have no idea what happens in a cold war that is actually very much a hot war.


People don't get slaughtered in cold wars.

Morel Guy said:
Syria started before Trump.  There's been a degrading of US support in Syria since Trump.  That doesn't mean the conflict is over, it means that the President is not committed.


Do you mean there's been a degrading of US support in Syria for CIA backed regime change?  And an increase in support for a leader the Syrian people elected?

Morel Guy said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Morel Guy said:
Fox is running a story about Iran drone striking Saudi oil plants.


Houthi rebels in Yemen claimed responsibility for the attack.


Who's their handler?

Hint hint Iran.


What do you mean "handler"?  Do you have evidence?

Here's evidence that the Houthis don't follow Iranian direction:

Iran Warned Houthis Against Yemen Takeover
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Iranian representatives discouraged Houthi rebels from taking the Yemeni capital… Despite Iran’s advice, the Houthis walked into the city and claimed it.

Iran is not directing the rebels, who follow a different branch of Shiite Islam than Iran’s leaders and are believed to care more about corruption and the distribution of power in Yemen than the spread of Shiite influence across the Middle East.

“It remains our assessment that Iran does not exert command and control over the Houthis in Yemen,” Bernadette Meehan, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, told The Huffington Post.

“It is wrong to think of the Houthis as a proxy force for Iran,” a U.S. intelligence official told The Huffington Post.



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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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I doubt 100% of what you claim there.

Yes people do get "slaughtered" in cold wars.  Just not at the same rates, not on their own soil.  Not if they are a super power.  Proxy wars are the blood baths of cold wars.

The US military operated in well over 100 nations last year.  The build up in Australia is to counter China.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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Build up in Australia?

What u mean


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: XUL]
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A US military build up in Australia.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
A US military build up in Australia.


Interesting.

Link? Plz


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: XUL]
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:facepalm3:
So so inwards.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: XUL]
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Try pasting a link that is a counter claim than wasting my time educating the XUL's of the world.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-15/u-s-military-build-up-in-australia-s-north-natural-evolution


https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/25/there-are-now-2500-us-marines-australia-after-years-buildup.html


https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/25/there-are-now-2500-us-marines-australia-after-years-buildup.html


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/australia-says-us-plans-to-build-military-infrastructure/ar-AAF3wur


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
Try pasting a link that is a counter claim than wasting my time educating the XUL's of the world.



Oi!

Oi

Oi....


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
I doubt 100% of what you claim there.


I backed my post with links, including statements from high level US Government officials.  You presented no evidence.

Morel Guy said:
Yes people do get "slaughtered" in cold wars.  Just not at the same rates, not on their own soil.  Not if they are a super power.  Proxy wars are the blood baths of cold wars.


Who's getting slaughtered as a result of the US backing off on Syria?

Morel Guy said:
The build up in Australia is to counter China.


And who's getting slaughtered as a result?


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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We do not know yet with Australia.

Backing off in Syris cannot be good for US backed rebels.  Without support they'll be slaughtered.

I do not particularly agree with high level US officials and what the claim.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
Backing off in Syris cannot be good for US backed rebels.


Do you support elected leaders, or those the CIA tries to install?


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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With all the strict propaganda in Russia and there satelite nations, such as Syria....these are not free elections.  I doubt America even has free elections anymore with all the money that goes into spreading bullshit and manipluating votes.  Far worse in Eastern Europe.

Any time a dictator or ex kgb wins by a landslide and opposition is in prison while protestors are jailed is not free.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Morel Guy]
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Polls show that in Syria "more than 70 percent of the voters support the policy of the head of state, do not believe in the inhumanity of Syrian President Bashar Assad and called the U.S. the main conspirator."

Feel free to keep make believing that the elections weren't free even though Assad has a majority of the country's support.


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Re: Trump Ousts John Bolton as National Security Adviser [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Ya there is a lot of manipluation that goes into being a dictator.

Saddam had a lot of support too.  Maybe it's not interesting to you how people that oppose dictators disappear and nobody ever finds their tortured bodies.

It's illegal in Russia to speak out against Putin.  A young guy is considered a terroist in Russia for playing pokimon go in a Church.


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