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Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants)
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Hi!

I'm in a depressive episode (from work burnout) and tried everything before going on antidepressants, but I didn't get out of it. So my shitty psychiatrist convinced me to go on antidepressants. (Venlaflaxine)

Been on that shit for 2 months, didnt do anything for my depression. But it fucked me up big time, I developed PSSD (means I have 0 libido, numb genitals and emotions even after coming off this drug). So it basically fucked my life up.

Im now 3 months off this stuff and what I noticed, is that im immune to shrooms now.

I tried 3.5, 5 and 10(!) g of hawaians, and only got mild visuals. I'm 100% sure this is because of the antidepressants I was taking, because the shrooms are potent and worked before, I even did them when I in the depth of my depression, and they still worked. I also noticed I have to yawn alot when I take shrooms, but its not because I'm tired.

Some guy on the PSSDforum said its because antidepressants downregulate the 5HT2A receptors. I have no knowledge of neuroscience or how this works so I'm writing in this forum.

Is there any way to upregulate my 5HT2A receptors so they become more pre-SSRI state? I think this could also help find a cure for PSSD. Thank you very much.

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: cdraham] * 2
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Holy shit is PSSD even a thing? :omgz:


Um, the way you describe this you were in essence brain damaged by the drug, and your brain is rooting for a workaround.

I mean PSSD *and* shrooms barely working, sounds like your serotonin got paved over.

Please stay away from MDMA type drugs and stimulants.

I recommend you eat plenty of protein that is rich in Tryptophan (milk products, turkey) and get some extra Omega 3's in you (like, take a small 5-10ml sip of flaxseed oil every morning with breakfast)

It sounds like you're fucked you may have several more months of recovering to do before your serotonin nerves are upregulated back to an appreciable level.

To augment the healing process you might take 0.25gr hawaiians once a week as a microdose, not cause it will get you particularly high but because it helps with getting your neurons fit.

Since you were "depressed" before, during and after, a brain scan might be prudent to see whether something is not up that causes this generalized decreased activity.

If you're a vegan, hit the vitamin pills first.


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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: Asante] * 1
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Yeah microdosing mushrooms can help a lot with rebuilding the serotonin


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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Holy shit is PSSD even a thing? :omgz:


Um, the way you describe this you were in essence brain damaged by the drug, and your brain is rooting for a workaround.

I mean PSSD *and* shrooms barely working, sounds like your serotonin got paved over.

Please stay away from MDMA type drugs and stimulants.

I recommend you eat plenty of protein that is rich in Tryptophan (milk products, turkey) and get some extra Omega 3's in you (like, take a small 5-10ml sip of flaxseed oil every morning with breakfast)

It sounds like you're fucked you may have several more months of recovering to do before your serotonin nerves are upregulated back to an appreciable level.

To augment the healing process you might take 0.25gr hawaiians once a week as a microdose, not cause it will get you particularly high but because it helps with getting your neurons fit.

Since you were "depressed" before, during and after, a brain scan might be prudent to see whether something is not up that causes this generalized decreased activity.

If you're a vegan, hit the vitamin pills first.



Yes - PSSD seems to be esentially brain damage and never in my life have I felt so hopeless.

I'm already taking omega 3s, I dont think tryptophan will help because it will just increase serotonin from what I know, my problem is that my serotonin receptors seem to have been damaged by the Venlaflaxine, which is a SNRI.

I tried microdosing while in this state, don't notice a thing, its not like before. I don't know if its a good idea to continue doing this because it also works on those recepters and I dont know alot about that, I dont want to fuck up my receptors even more.

I had a MRI back in jan, everything was okay then.

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
Yeah microdosing mushrooms can help a lot with rebuilding the serotonin



I don't think my problem is the serotonin. I think my problem is that the receptors got fucked up, and are still on antidepressant state.

PSSD is not researched alot, and there are more theories, but from what I can understand the most plausible theory is that 5HT1A, 5HT2A receptors got downregulated/fucked and it is probably irreversible.

I heard St. Johns Worth, Ashwagandha can upregulate 5HT2A. But im not sure.

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: cdraham]
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Yeah I don't even know about it. Was mostly referencing Asante's response.

If you are super serious and want to do travel and a lot of personal work, it might be worth considering doing a dieta, which is a purification retreat that is generally associated with working with ayahuasca (but not necessarily). The healers work with lots of different medicinal herbs and are experts at restoring and purifying the human body


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it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."

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Edited by nicechrisman (07/19/19 03:32 PM)

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
Yeah I don't even know about it. Was mostly referencing Asante's response.

If you are super serious and want to do travel and a lot of personal work, it might be worth considering doing a dieta, which is a purification retreat that is generally associated with working with ayahuasca (but not necessarily). The healers work with lots of different medicinal herbs and are experts at restoring and purifying the human body




Thank you - I was actually thinking about going on a retreat to heal my depression - but then antidepressants came into my life :frown:.

I tried microdosing aswell as a LSD trip and shrooms trip before considering antidepressants. But my depression was so severe I think it didn't help. Probably if I increased my dosage back then and had someone to talk to (like in psychedelic therapy) it would have worked. But I can't say that now and it's in the past.

However I still want to try ayahuasca, from what I know some tried it for PSSD and got some results, although its not from the DMT compound itself I think. But I have to put more research into this.

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: cdraham]
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The DMT provides the experience overall but the vine provides the foundation of the healing and also has natural anti depressant qualities that leave me feeling all nice and shiny for a while after a ceremony


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"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."

John C. Lily

 

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
The DMT provides the experience overall but the vine provides the foundation of the healing and also has natural anti depressant qualities that leave me feeling all nice and shiny for a while after a ceremony



I am thinking about ayahuasca. I think its the Caapi and Syrian Rue which could upregulate 5HT Receptors, not the DMT. (for anyone interested: http://www.pssdforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=648)

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: cdraham]
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I have a lot of hope in you, brother! Good luck!


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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: cdraham]
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Hey, man...
Are you good now? Solved the problem?
I hope so...
If yes... What did you do?
I'd really appreciate any update about you, cause I am getting through a pretty similar situation as well...

Thanks...

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: NeoAEon]
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It depends on your nervous system. Open eye visual don't happen for me unless I will it. That's the boring stuff with acid though. What you want is the cognition. Try watching some TV shows. You might just have to take more.

PS. Troll.

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: cdraham]
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cdraham said:
Hi!

I'm in a depressive episode (from work burnout) and tried everything before going on antidepressants, but I didn't get out of it. So my shitty psychiatrist convinced me to go on antidepressants. (Venlaflaxine)

Been on that shit for 2 months, didnt do anything for my depression. But it fucked me up big time, I developed PSSD (means I have 0 libido, numb genitals and emotions even after coming off this drug). So it basically fucked my life up.

Im now 3 months off this stuff and what I noticed, is that im immune to shrooms now.

I tried 3.5, 5 and 10(!) g of hawaians, and only got mild visuals. I'm 100% sure this is because of the antidepressants I was taking, because the shrooms are potent and worked before, I even did them when I in the depth of my depression, and they still worked. I also noticed I have to yawn alot when I take shrooms, but its not because I'm tired.

Some guy on the PSSDforum said its because antidepressants downregulate the 5HT2A receptors. I have no knowledge of neuroscience or how this works so I'm writing in this forum.

Is there any way to upregulate my 5HT2A receptors so they become more pre-SSRI state? I think this could also help find a cure for PSSD. Thank you very much.





There is no need to worry. Neurogenesis happens and it happens quite frequently. It even happens in full grown adults after the brain has 'stopped' maturing.


While SSRIs can have several negative cascading effects, being systemic, they are much more gentle on our brain chemistry than say methamphetamines.

Brain damage caused by methamphetamines can happen very quickly over days and weeks because of how violently these drugs interact with our brain chemistry, often causing permanent irreversible brain damage. I've never heard of SSRIs doing that.



Your condition is not permanent. And will vastly improve with lots of good sleep. You will be able to experience Mushrooms again in time. Even if your tolerance might be a little higher. I doubt it would stay that way.

For the record I am against the use of SSRIs. I have seen so many of my friends go down the rabbit hole with SSRIs. I really look forward to a future where taking a pill every day isn't the solution for happiness.

As others have suggested, micro dosing can help the healing process along. The most recent data shows Mushrooms are quite good at helping brains grow.

I find other things that really help balance me are fasting and cannabis. I keep the cannabis usage on the lighter side.

When I really need help getting back into the swing of things though nothing helps more than micro dosing and meditation.


Edited by wolfman42 (08/01/21 10:42 AM)

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: wolfman42]
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Help me identify please

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Re: Help me experience shrooms again (I'm immune now due to antidepressants) [Re: cdraham]
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cdraham said:
Hi!

I'm in a depressive episode (from work burnout) and tried everything before going on antidepressants, but I didn't get out of it. So my shitty psychiatrist convinced me to go on antidepressants. (Venlaflaxine)

Been on that shit for 2 months, didnt do anything for my depression. But it fucked me up big time, I developed PSSD (means I have 0 libido, numb genitals and emotions even after coming off this drug). So it basically fucked my life up.

Im now 3 months off this stuff and what I noticed, is that im immune to shrooms now.

I tried 3.5, 5 and 10(!) g of hawaians, and only got mild visuals. I'm 100% sure this is because of the antidepressants I was taking, because the shrooms are potent and worked before, I even did them when I in the depth of my depression, and they still worked. I also noticed I have to yawn alot when I take shrooms, but its not because I'm tired.

Some guy on the PSSDforum said its because antidepressants downregulate the 5HT2A receptors. I have no knowledge of neuroscience or how this works so I'm writing in this forum.

Is there any way to upregulate my 5HT2A receptors so they become more pre-SSRI state? I think this could also help find a cure for PSSD. Thank you very much.



Take heart dude. It took me 5 months being clean of SSRIs before I could trip properly. But that still took 9g dry Liberty cap, almost 3x Liberty Cap heroic dose! But it was a good one :awesome:

Stick with it, good things await

:feelingfunky:

DJ Ed


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Michael Pollan: How To Change Your Mind

“The problem is not to find the answer, it’s to face the answer.”
Terence McKenna


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