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DMT 'rush' -- very scary
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How do you fellow psychonauts deal with the sensation? I'm currently experimenting with low-ish amounts, 10-15 mg, without trying to break through, but the body high is so ominous--fills me with that "I shouldn't have done this." feeling every time. Then it wears off into a cozy euphoria before I can get used to it.

Not looking to break through just yet. Any advice?

I've broken through with Salvia many times, which holds a special place in my heart, but Salvia kinda just cuts to the chase when bringing me into another realm, where DMT gives me an overwhelming high before anything interesting happens.

Edited by Terratic (07/07/19 03:58 AM)

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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Terratic] * 1
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Not sure what you mean by "ominous." That has a negative connotation not ordinarily associated with any DMT come-up I've experienced.  Yes, the speed of onset is frightening - I'll grant you that - but once you learn to recognize that, and the accompanying body sensation (for me it's like a total body numbness/cold that passes) then you can get on to enjoying the visuals.

What (if anything) do you see behind closed eyes at those doses?  What preparation do you make "pre-flight?"

I think you are wise to start off with low doses given what you have written.  Once you realize that 100% of the time you come back to complete normalcy in short order, I suspect you will find the courage to up your doses.  Don't try forcing yourself to take a breakthrough dose as some kind of artificial goal.  In the end, you may find mid-sized doses are REALLY the most enjoyable and non-anxiety provoking, and your favorite landing zone.

Let us know how it goes.

One final piece of advice.  In the beginning, do not dose more than once a day.  Try not to get carried away by the goal of establishing an intimate familiarity too quickly.  Folks that do that often find themselves "rejected" or have a bad time.  I was patient, worked my way up to my personal sweet zone, and never had that experience.


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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Nature Boy] * 3
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DMT is going to shred the ego every time, that feeling is the ego dying. I'd assume you don't notice it on salvia because you go for a break through dose right away, similar to if you inhaled 40-50mg of DMT at once, you wouldn't necessarily have time to react to that feeling on the other hand I've had a similar trip. The first time I tried to breakthrough I smoked 40mg and instantly was overwhelmed, more than I wanted, shot right down a tunnel towards white light and realized I was dying for real. I resisted and held on for my life, in terror and panic!

Well at least now I know next time to just let go :lol: how do I deal with it? Don't smoke DMT unless I'm ready to die!


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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Terratic] * 2
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The low doses are the most disorienting. It's like a top that didn't get spun fast enough. It just wobbles awkwardly. There's not much point to low doses. You gotta give it a good rip and that vibration will be smoothed out. The ominous feeling is your own projection because you're still very much sober and aware of your fears and apprehension. You need to either push yourself past your fears or let go of them. A higher dose will probably still be scary for the first time or few times. But the lower doses are not going to prepare you, nothing will. You can't take the ride at half speed or quarter speed, it's all or nothing.

Edited by Icon (07/07/19 12:24 PM)

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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Icon]
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I feel the rush is like an overwhelmingly euphoric feeling like a hug all over your body. A very loving, welcome gentle sensation. It feels like it is supposed to be happening. That what you experience needs to be


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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Terratic]
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Terratic said:
How do you fellow psychonauts deal with the sensation? I'm currently experimenting with low-ish amounts, 10-15 mg, without trying to break through.....


....DMT gives me an overwhelming high before anything interesting happens.




Nothing all that interesting is happening probably because you are working with very small doses...Doses that are enough to give you a powerful overwhelming sensation throughout your body/mind, but a dose that's too small to actually catalyze a full on experience/something interesting, so you're just left feeling on edge and uneasy without much happening....

....take a full proper dose/hit of the stuff and you will likely not have enough time to feel overwhelmed. You won't have time to react in a human-ly manner lol...With proper rip of DMT I usually don't have much time to be worried or concerned about what's happening, everything happens so rapidly...When one is in the thick of a smoked DMT trip, it is pretty typical for the person to forget entirely that they smoked DMT. My last time with it, I forgot entirely that I had smoked DMT, I thought I had died lol, it wasn't until I started to come back down and become in touch with my body again that I realized what was going on and remembered that I smoked DMT.

Smoked DMT in general can be a very very VERRRRY intense and overwhelming experience, that's just the nature of the stuff....It's no joke.

When it first starts to set in, within mere seconds while still hitting the pipe, there is almost always that feeling of "Uh oh" for me, usually involves a rush of adrenaline and anxiety, basically a "fight or flight" type response in ways....but that is only around while I am taking the hits and holding them in, after that, after I exhale my final toke I'm usually so gone and caught up in the rapid and chaotic experience that I'm not really thinking about how overwhelming it is......but that initial feeling that comes from smoked DMT, it can be pretty damn unsettling, that's just part of the whole ordeal lol. One should become a bit more comfortable and familiar with that sensation over time, but it will always be there lol.


My approach to smoking dmt....I sit down on a pillow with my hands in my lap, and the pipe in my hands. I put my focus into following my breathing cycle and basically just try to clear my head and relax and forget about what I'm about to do (I try to get to the point where I am thoughtless, where my mind is clear and silent, nothing but focus on my breathing)...After 5 minutes or so I often forget that I'm actually preparing for "lift off", once my mind is clear and relaxed I lift the pipe to my lips and spark er' up...After I exhale my hit(s), I continue to only focus on and follow my breathing cycle, in-out, up & down, around & around....With a proper rip of DMT, after 30 to 40 seconds I forget entirely about breathing, I forget that I just smoked DMT, I even forget that I have a body and that I am a "human", complete disconnect from the "here & now" .

....following my breathing and not thinking about anything at all is how I approach smoking DMT.





I concur with a lot of what everyone else in the thread has mentioned too.







-OM

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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Terratic]
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Im not sure if this is helpful, but i found it much easier to let go when i smoked dmt during an lsd trip. I have the same ominous feeling as you. The first few times i did it, it  felt like i was messing with something truly evil. At least those were the thoughts i was having during the trip. I dont think the substance is evil, btw, it was just a feeling i had. Ive also been trying to come to terms with my inevitable death so that im not frightened during my future trips. It seems like if im not scared to die that i wont resist and i will break through.


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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Psychonaut1029] * 1
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Psychonaut1029 said:
Im not sure if this is helpful, but i found it much easier to let go when i smoked dmt during an lsd trip.....





Totally! :yesnod:

I, and I've heard the same from many others, feel that there is far less apprehension and potential anxiety/shock when smoking DMT while one is already tripping on a long lasting psychedelic like LSD or mushrooms or mescaline.

When I am already tripping on mushrooms or LSD and smoke DMT I have almost none of that initial "shock" and overwhelming sensation like I do when I smoke DMT while not on anything/at baseline....And I feel far more "at ease" if I am already tripping when I am getting prepared for smoking it.

To some it might sound crazy....but taking a rip of DMT is far easier of a launch when I am already tripping/on a psychedelic.

It is still an incredibly intense experience...but that initial sensation that washes over you isn't as "rattling", it is much easier to take the dive.

Going from 44mph to 333mph is a little easier & smoother than going from 0mph to 333mph in an instant :smirk: .





-OM

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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Terratic] * 3
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I really wish people would STOP telling people to "take a full dose" and "you NEED to go all the way to blah blah blah to experience blah blah blah because a low dose just fucks with blah blah blah!" It's fucking irritating as hell! You do the dose you want, fuck all those that say otherwise. NB said it best, titrate up, go at your own pace. You don't NEED to take a really strong dose to go where you want.


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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
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I go by feeling. I dont weigh it or anything. I put the spice in there and trust that im gonna get exactly the right amount. Whatever happens, it was meant to be. I usually tell people to do what feels right. Whether they think 25mg feels like the amount they should do, or whether that giant pile on the table seems right without a scale. Do your thing and trust the spice. Or dont, thats ok too.


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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Psychonaut1029] * 1
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Psychonaut1029 said:
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I go by feeling. I dont weigh it or anything. I put the spice in there and trust that im gonna get exactly the right amount. Whatever happens, it was meant to be. I usually tell people to do what feels right. Whether they think 25mg feels like the amount they should do, or whether that giant pile on the table seems right without a scale. Do your thing and trust the spice. Or dont, thats ok too.


That's a recipe for a difficult experience.

One day you'll get a dense chunk of dmt and load up what looks like 35mg and it will be 70mg... it's happened to a lot of people, You can get away with it with changa, but you're playing with fire doing that with crystal.


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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Northerner]
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I've done that many times lol. Take the hit and like "ok time to strap in" tho st the same time for me going in without expectations of effects or anything and just take it as it comes really creates a far more welcoming experience


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Edited by SonicTitan (07/09/19 06:55 AM)

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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Northerner]
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Me and sonic titan are the tony montanas of dmt. Throw a pile in the pipe and keep taking hits until we go OOB.

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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Psychonaut1029]
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I love that rush! It feels like a full body orgasam. Low doses are my favorite because with music it's simply amazing. The key to having a amazing trip with 10-15mg is beautiful music. Play this the next time you trip. Please try it..




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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Shenmue]
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I understand dmt extremely well. With the right music you can literally have a breakthrough on a low dose! I seriously think music comes from the dmt realm. It's the most beautiful experience you can possibly have.

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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Shenmue]
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Yes! I have a CD that is inner peace or something like that, and I put that on really low and non intrusive. Dim the lights to almost dark as well.


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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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Shenmue said:
I understand dmt extremely well. With the right music you can literally have a breakthrough on a low dose! I seriously think music comes from the dmt realm. It's the most beautiful experience you can possibly have.


tyrannicalrex said:
Yes! I have a CD that is inner peace or something like that, and I put that on really low and non intrusive. Dim the lights to almost dark as well.


What is it about the music that makes the process easier or better or whatever? I always felt like music kept me anchored in this reality and diminished my experience.

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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Psychonaut1029]
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It seems to ease me into the experience and also seems to make the CEV's go with the music. I put on shpongle once and it was too loud/busy and fucked with me until I could get up to turn it down/off. Low flute music or piano or ambient works well for me. I love music though and ANY drug I do accents the music and vice versa.


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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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For me the music literally becomes the trip :smile:. I played that heavens bliss song a few times and everytime I ended up in the heavens. I felt nothing but love and acceptance. I wanted to stay in that place forever. You have to play the right music. You can't just play the backstreet boys or acdc and go to the other side lol. All I'm asking is that you give it a try. You have nothing to lose..

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Re: DMT 'rush' -- very scary [Re: Shenmue]
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LOL, I would never play anything but very calm ambient, piano, flute, or something similar. I will! I have a DMT cart that a friend gifted to me and have yet to try it. Going to the mountain cabin this weekend and I feel it's the perfect time to do so, and with this music you posted.


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