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DMT. What is it. * 2
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I was hesitant in deciding whether or not to make an account.

Here goes nothing!

DMT.

Mysterious and magical or... a familiar trip with shocking results?

Is the magic that people see and feel just a coping mechanism used to deal with said shock? Think about religion... most use religion as a tool to deal with life and death...

Or is it actually a portal to another dimension filled with happy little machine elves.

What about the familiarity that most share while on this exp? Is this dome really out there? Or... does DMT produce similar effects which people can relate to.

Look at weed and alcohol. Sure, everyone reacts differently and has different experiences, but for the most part, the effects of these substances are almost always the same.

What do you guys think? Magic and mystery or just another overpowered drug that causes trippy out of body exps?


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Warning!!!
Mushrooms will birth baby slugs in your stomach if eaten.


I had a major ghostly experience. Something shattered my oven glass and there's no logical explanation.

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Wonder Boy] * 1
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Its def a drug but its alos srs business :sadyes:

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Wonder Boy] * 2
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Wonder Boy said:
What do you guys think? Magic and mystery or just another overpowered drug that causes trippy out of body exps?


To my mind, it's the only non-recreational drug I've tried (and I've tried most).

It's like being put in touch with the infinite life/consciousness/intelligence of the universe.

I seek it out only when I need lessons and guidance.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Wonder Boy] * 1
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Wonder Boy said:
I was hesitant in deciding whether or not to make an account.

Here goes nothing!

DMT.

Mysterious and magical or... a familiar trip with shocking results?

Is the magic that people see and feel just a coping mechanism used to deal with said shock? Think about religion... most use religion as a tool to deal with life and death...

Or is it actually a portal to another dimension filled with happy little machine elves.

What about the familiarity that most share while on this exp? Is this dome really out there? Or... does DMT produce similar effects which people can relate to.

Look at weed and alcohol. Sure, everyone reacts differently and has different experiences, but for the most part, the effects of these substances are almost always the same.

What do you guys think? Magic and mystery or just another overpowered drug that causes trippy out of body exps?



We simply do not know what it is.

You can say its just a drug..its just this or just that...but the fact remains that its still the exact same experience.

What i mean by that is even if its just a drug...the fact that a drug can make that happen is just as mysterious if it werent just a drug. Why do we have a built in "alien world hallucinatory experience"?

I dont claim to know..


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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I hear rogan say that and I don’t really agree, it makes a massive difference whether or not it’s “real”.


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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Amanita86]
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No one really knows OP, and even if you try it you won't really be sure if what you see has any basis in reality or not. I don't think it's really anything but a massive headfuck, by then again it seems sacred and all encompassing. Maybe both. Maybe it is because of the paradox that it presents it is greater than us, maybe it's just a dream.

If you're thinking about trying it, I recommend it for any sane person. Be prepared to be frightened and amazed though. Perhaps experience a perspective shift. There's nothing like it.


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We are the music makers, the dreamers of dreams.

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Northerner]
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I had Jim Morrison hand me a bandanna from on stage during a salvia trip...pretty fuckin real bro:thatsinteresting:

A lot has happened in my dreams, I don’t know what inspires that but feels slightly less real, maybe a little more flat, but still pretty realish.  I think one factor to keep in mind is that something’s “level of reality” can be affected by your level of presence.. how awake you are in the scene..

Infinite, eternity.. all these words also mean that there has been time for something to think up some pretty crazy shit so..


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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Northerner]
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DMT affects people roughly the same way for the same reason that dopamine affects people in roughly the same way. It is just a different kind of experience. it reverts the brain to an activity cycle that resembles that of a newborn by overriding inhibitory signals from the thalamus.


now philosophically speaking it could be the case that like, everything is a projection of information/code, and DMT is some sort of mystery subroutine whose function we don't understand. But considerations like these are pointless to me now.

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said:
I hear rogan say that and I don’t really agree, it makes a massive difference whether or not it’s “real”.



But theres no way to tell..all we have are the trip reports. The trip reports are so wild. That plus the fact we can't know,if its real= it doesn't matter.

I think mckenna originally said it but if there was a ufo crash, it wouldn't be,as xrazy dmt. I agree with that. Call me naive but i just,think the experience is extraordinary


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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It’s definately different.  I get a more emotional message, I don’t see many aliens, and the moral of a story is real regardless of whether it’s a fairy tale or fact so that’s where I leave it for now.  My views will change as I get more experience.  Salvia people seem pretty real but I was always in an observer position, there was never any lucid back and forth.

I take a dose, go into full panic attack and learn what God thinks about me, and heal..  it’s pretty real.


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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Wonder Boy]
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it's a hard reset


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how's your WOW?





  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Wonder Boy] * 1
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DMT-dimethyltriptamine, is a chemical extracted from a south american tree (from the root bark) from the mimosa hostillis tree. Many other plants have the chemical present in them, but this one seems to be highly concentrated. It's highly psychoactive once extracted, or used in the traditional way. The only answer you'll get that will satisfy your curiosity is the one you "hear" once you have ingested the chemical.


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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that DMT is in all living things in small amounts, and highly concentrated in a few?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Maybe all? Certianly a lot, humans included.


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how's your WOW?





  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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IDK the correct answer, I do know that I have read it's in a lot of plants.:shrug: I'm not too detailed on these things, I just know enough to get what I want/need and let other people worry about being exactly correct and full of the entire category of information. I do not need nor do I want the entire list of plants and animals that have the said chemical. I know enough to get what I need/want and to let others know how to go about gaining the information they desire. You can go as far as you like, I am comfy where I am.


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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
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I think one of the best arguments for DMT having some sort of "mystical" properties is the history of Ayahausca.

When shamans were asked how Ayahuasca was discovered, they simple stated "the jungle told us". Who knows, maybe it's coincidence but there are countless species of plants in the jungle, so the odds of pairing the right ones together seem pretty small. Especially when adding the wrong plant with the MAOI's could kill you, maybe it was trial and error but it seems like small odds. Keep in mind Harmine was originally called Telepathine because scientists believed it was responsible for the "telepathic" effects of ayahuasca.

Anyways there are some very interesting theories around DMT. My own personal hypothesis is that DMT is some sort of universal communication/interconnectivity drug, the DMT structure actually occurs in serotonin and melatonin:

Quote:
The structure of DMT occurs within some important biomolecules like serotonin and melatonin, making them structural analogs of DMT.


So my theory is basically that since animals/plants have different hormones/chemicals that our brains use for normal interspecies communication perhaps DMT can temporarily alter that allowing our brains to more easily synchronize with other life.

That might explain why DMT is so common in all sorts of plants/animals, and why shamans claim to communicate with plants and spirits during ayahuasca ceremonies. Or why shamans talk about being "possessed by animal spirits" during certain tryptamine rituals such as yopo.

Anyways it's just a theory in progress, but I think there's at least a grain of truth in there somewhere :strokebeard:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that DMT is in all living things in small amounts, and highly concentrated in a few?


From what I've read that is just a theory, trace amounts of DMT have been found in various things including parts of the human body but there hasn't been any general testing to confirm if DMT occurs everywhere in trace amounts.

I have heard it's in plants like citrus in very trace amounts though, and at least 1 study tested for DMT in human organs and found trace amounts in various places. Though it might just be a byproduct of seratonin/melatonin or something similar.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: musiclover420]
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I was watching this thing on Netflix and they were spelling it out like the amazon rain forest is man made and most of the main plants we associate with being there were actually brought there, so aya may predate the amazon.  I don’t know if any of that is true but...


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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that DMT is in all living things in small amounts, and highly concentrated in a few?


DMT is known to be in about 150 plant species. 

it could be in thousands of planet species, or even all of them, but we've never tested them all for DMT, so we don't know. 

nature is drenched in DMT, and if we actually tested, it would more than likely turn up in everything.

however, tryptophan, the amino acid, is enzymatically two steps from DMT.

and, tryptophan is universal to life, there is not a living thing, that we know of, that does not contain tryptophan.

tryptophan is the biochemical precursor for serotonin and melatonin.

being so prevalent in nature, we certainly seem to have some kind of symbiotic relationship with it.


anything that can be experienced can be considered real...

but could human consciousness, be a hallucination?

does DMT take our consciousness network to realms that we are usually not programmed to see?

as far as the realms of knowing that one ventures to on DMT, do these realms have a correspondence to the external world?

what is internal? and what is external?

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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Happy Birthday Bill! No wonder why its such a nice day today! :cheers:

What is DMT....is it just a drug that gives elaborate hallucinations or is there something mystical to it?

Personally, I think theres a mystical connection to the spiritual thru drug interaction on the brain. Not exactly sure how it works, but its almost like DMT is the "gateway" to another layer of reality.

Is DMT just a drug? I don't think so. I think theres more to DMT that we have not fully explained by science and the study of consciousness.


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Re: DMT. What is it. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that DMT is in all living things in small amounts, and highly concentrated in a few?



Im not sure if its in ALL living things but they foubd it in the pineal glands of rats and they know its produced in the liver and lungs in humans


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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