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Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings
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Hoping I put this in the correct subcategory.

So, my question is in regards to sprouts. I have had a bitch of a time with them but it is finally the beginning of spring and time to try again. I can get the bastards to sprout using the fridge trick (where I live the "cool weather" window for spring is short). My issue is regardless of if I water or do not water them once they hit about a half inch they begin to turn brown. Within 48 hours of them turning brown all are dead. IS the browning due to overwatering? I sprout them inside so maybe it is due to not enough sunlight from the window? If I can get the bastards past the seedling stage that would be awesome as they become hardier afterward.

I have hens and chicks seeds that a friend has been cultivating a little north of me so hopefully, the seeds are a little more acclimatized to my area.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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Why don't you sow seeds in their final growing place? Will there still be a period of time where it's cold so they can germinate easily?

I remember reading that poppies dislike being repotted...

I'd say seedlings turning brown happens due to lack of water... not too much...

For me poppies are the easiest plant I know how to grow. Like with any other plants, remember to never let them dry out. Water routinely and always use less fertilizer than recommended is my advice.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Painkiller]
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poppies are meant to be sown directly in the ground.

I sow mine late february/early march when the daffodils are about to bloom. They can freeze and handle rain/cloudy weather.

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Argyreia]
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I had sown them in those little degradable pots that you just put in the soil. I would dig out a garden and sow in the dirt but uhh, groundhogs like to invade my yard and eat everything. So possibly overwatering? I know not to transplant them cause their taproot does not handle that very well. Thank you for the responses.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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papaver somniferum needs to germinate outside. It's a hardy plant, it can withstand sub 0 and snow even in the cotyledon only stage. It needs plenty of sunlight, otherwise it will enlongate and wilt.

It favors planting in situ, and repotting is a very delicate process. IME planting the seeds in a tray and separating the plantlets afterwards will kill a lot of them, but sowing in many miniscule pots and then repotting the plantlets in the ground does work.

The enemy of these plants is snails; if you don't have a seemingly infinite amount of snails in your garden (like I do), it's best to sow directly in the ground.

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: MycolBeeDMT]
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Guess I will be off to turn some dirt today. My original plan was to take all the biodegradable pots I have them in and plant the pots into buckets once they were past the seedling stage. Do not have snails but I sure as hell have rabbits and groundhogs that eat everything.

These pots - https://www.google.com/search?q=peat+pots&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjxMPt4JHhAhVR1IMKHfCIAL4Q_AUIDygC&biw=1360&bih=625#imgrc=0L3umwq7v42KEM:


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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Poppies do not like being started in containers, they should be germinated in the beds or pots they are intended to finish in.

Honestly, those biodegradable pots are nothing but trouble.  They restrict roots, rot easily, and cost too much.  I experimented with them years ago and had nothing but retarded growth compared to plastic pots of the same size.

I would not use them for anything, ever.

If you're having trouble with a springtime "cool weather window"  Try seeding your beds in the fall.  Fall seeded poppies generally get bigger than their spring siblings in climates that don't get too cold in the winter.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Brother, I would but my area drops below zero in the winter. Either way, I will follow the suggestions here and hope it pans out.


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Edited by IgnorantOne (03/21/19 11:44 PM)

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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IgnorantOne said:
Brother, I would but my area drops below zero in the winter. Either way, I will follow the suggestions here and hope it pans out.


How much below 0? somniferum can withstand even -7C easily IME


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: MycolBeeDMT]
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Oh really? I thought the seeds could not handle below 0. This past winter it hit -50f for about a week. Normally it is between 20 and -20. Even had icequakes and thunder/lightning snow.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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I wanted to post an update. Seems the children are doing well but I am seeing patches turn red/green? Is that normal?



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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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Water logged.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Mr. Funguy]
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Mr. Funguy said:
Water logged.


Guess I will be adding some more holes to the pots. It just rained for two days straight so I am not surprised.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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Either that or more gravel/rocks to your next batch. What was your ratio. They like it moist but well drainable.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Mr. Funguy]
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No ratio. These were buckets that were used last year for veggies. If I do more buckets I will throw an inch or so of gravel at the bottom and maybe mix some river rocks into the soil itself. These were sort of a "toss in some seeds and see what happens" deal.

I will add holes to the bottoms of these buckets to help out in draining and I guess try and keep them covered on rainy days. Maybe get some thick plastic or something

Edit: Seems like it is only certain patches that do this reddish color which is weird. As you can see I have several that are nice and green but they are slightly taller than the red ones. A vast majority of them sprouted due to the rain over the past few days.


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Edited by IgnorantOne (04/12/19 06:37 PM)

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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Those patches are probably just soil, so its soggy, no sand or gravel so it gets stagnant. Then root rot sets in.
Get a bucket, then fill 50% with dirt, 30% gravel, 20% sand.
Desert mix at stores works well with a light casing of seedling mix ontop.
In your case now, pick the dead, let the strong survive, drill more holes, mix some sand inbetween those sprouts to get better water flow. Might keep them from drying out or rotting any more.

Edit- dont transplant, they'll die.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Mr. Funguy]
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Mr. Funguy said:
Those patches are probably just soil, so its soggy, no sand or gravel so it gets stagnant. Then root rot sets in.
Get a bucket, then fill 50% with dirt, 30% gravel, 20% sand.
Desert mix at stores works well with a light casing of seedling mix ontop.
In your case now, pick the dead, let the strong survive, drill more holes, mix some sand inbetween those sprouts to get better water flow. Might keep them from drying out or rotting any more.

Edit- dont transplant, they'll die.


TYVM for the information. I will def do that with my next set of buckets if I wind up doing any more.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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Those peat planters are for shit.
When growing P.Soms. When they are seedlings is a crucial time for the plant.  The slightest of stress will result in plants that will produce almost nothing.
  You can grow in pots , provided they are big enough. I sometimes use the plastic boxes that you see outside of conveniance stores.




An old ice chest works well, I even used an old bathtub on a few occasions.
Plant the seeds straight into the container... I can't stress how important this is.  Keep them moist , but not wet. Once you get past the seedling stage , you pretty much just leave them alone.
  Another tip that is vastly important is spacing.  You don't realize this with the seedling because they are so damn small.
    If you fail to give them enough space , they will for the most part , all fall over. Then , you end up having to stake and tie them up. Which is exactly what I am going through now. It seems like I always over seed and under thin.  And when you thin , just throw the ones you pull up away... They will just take up valuable space and give you grief in the end.

  They will grow in some pretty shitty soil , as long as it's broken up really good. I have never bothered with fertilizer , and would suggest not using any if you have at least somewhat decent soil.
  Timing is important too. I don't know what zone you ate in , so I can't tell when is the best time. I live in the Deep South and I sow Oct.-Dec.  If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.
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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Urb]
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Thank you for the input. I am a midwesterner right on the Mississippi, I forget the specific zone but it gets waaaay to far below freezing to winter sow. I was about to go out and thin seedlings out later today. I am using big kitty litter containers as pots so I may leave a couple to a pot (like one on either side and one in the middle or some shit like that).

They seem to be chugging along smoothly. Just using them for tea so I have the H&C variety planted. Been told they produce the best alkaloid content for tea due to the multiple pods. Any good plants to grow alongside these bastards? I am moving soon and the new LL is still in love with the Reagan era fuckery. I doubt he could tell the difference in plants but I may still put up some veggies around them. Is p. som an all day sun plant? I want it to thrive but I have only so many east/west positions open that are safe from critters at the new place I am buying.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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H&C best for tea?  I dunno about that. 
As far as other plants. Romain lettuce looks very similar , other that the flowers and pods.  I have called them flowering lettuce or cabbage,  Peonies... A general rule of thumb when dealing with a  busy bodie: If you can't dazzle this with brilliance , baffle them with bullshit.
  As far as critters, I have never had any problem except with slugs. Rabbits and the like seem to steer clear of them.


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I went to boys town in Nuevo Laredo when I was in my early ‘30s
There was a bunch of trannys even way back then
I paid probably $20 but I was so drunk I couldn’t get a hard on:faded:
-Whenever you hear 5 blasts from the emergency horn that’s the signal for a 30 minute buttfucking break-      Fiery said:
I wish I was a young sexy woman so I could have awesome sexy adventures all the time[/quote]
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