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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Butina pled guilty. Her presumption of innocence has been rebutted.


She pled guilty of not filing paperwork for talking to US officials.  She didn't plead guilty to spying.

Enlil said:
The skripal poisoning was this century


A perfect example of them wanting evidence, which is opposite your claim.


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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A perfect example of them leaving evidence.


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Enlil]
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What does that mean?  Are you make believing they're guilty so you can make believe they're not providing evidence?

I don't play make believe in the Political forum.  Let's take this to the pub if you want to play make believe with me.

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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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No, i'm doing none of that. The evidence against the Russians is strong

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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Quote:
  xul said
You'll get over it.





Don’t ever claim to be my fellow American ever again .



Quote:
  fal said :
You don't think spying is a good reason to detain someone?  It seems like a more compelling a reason than trying to establish good relations with Governmen


  I think the Russian law enforcement system controlled by Putin  is seriously fucked up .



””””””The Constitution of Russia forbids arbitrary detention, torture and ill-treatment. Chapter 2, Article 21 of the constitution states, "No one may be subjected to torture, violence or any other harsh or humiliating treatment or punishment."[73][74] However in practice Russian police, Federal Security Service[75] and prison and jail guards are regularly observed practicing torture with impunity - including beatings with many different types of batons, sticks and truncheons, water battles, sacks with sand etc, the "Elephant Method" which is beating a victim wearing a gas mask with cut airflow and the "Supermarket Method" which is the same but with a plastic bag on head, electric shocks including to genitals and ears (known as "Phone call to Putin"), binding in stress positions, cigarette burns,[76] needles and electric needless hammered under nails[77], prolonged suspension, sleep deprivation, food deprivation, rape, penetration with foreign objects, asphyxiation - in interrogating arrested suspects.[77][15][19][20][78] Another torture method is the "Television" which involves forcing the victim to stand in a mid-squat with extended arms in front of them holding a stool or even two stools, with the seat facing them. Former serviceman Andrei Sychev had to have both legs and genitals amputated after this torture due to gangrene caused by cut bloodflow. Other torture methods include the "Rack" or "Stretch" which involves hanging a victim on hands tied behind the back, the "Refrigerator" which involves subjecting a naked victim sometimes doused in cold water to subzero temperatures, the "Furnace" where the victim is left in heat in a small space and "Chinese torture" where the feet of the victim laying on a tabletop are beaten with clubs. In 2000, human rights Ombudsman Oleg Mironov estimated that 50% of prisoners with whom he spoke claimed to have been tortured. Amnesty International reported that Russian military forces in Chechnya engage in torture.[73] “”””””””

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia



Why do you trust it ?


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Enlil]
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Two Russians were found to be in Salisbury around the time of the poisoning.  That's "strong" proof?!?!?


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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That along with the fact that they used fake names and that Novichok was detected in several of the places they went including their hotel room. 

Of course, who doesn't have rare Russian nerve agent with them at all times?  NOTHING BURGER HERE FOLKS.

The added detail that one of them was a colonel in the GRU who was awarded the hero of the Russian federation medal is totally irrelevant, I'm sure.



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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Enlil]
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It ain't looking pretty.

Russia allied with China and North Korea against the
USA.

Who knows who all will pick which side?  Depends where people get their weapons among other fancy deals.

I don't know if this former Marine is innocent or not.  All the Ruskies claim is he took pics of their version of the FBI.  Not a real strong card.  Not sure what their books say about laws pertaining here either.


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Morel Guy]
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Quote:
ust as I didn't know if Butina was guilty.



Not only is she guilty she’s been convicted


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
That along with the fact that they used fake names...


If true, we still don't know their real names.  The European Arrest Warrant and Interpol Red Notice remain in the names of Boshirov and Petrov.  The Chepiga name has already been debunked.  And the UK still won't disclose what information was on the VISA's that they approved for these guys.

Enlil said:
...and that Novichok was detected in several of the places they went including their hotel room.


Right... they found it in the hotel room six months after the attack.  Even though "soap and water is actually quite good at decontaminating nerve agents" and even though "a cleaner was forced to spend the next day clearing up the mess left by 'the assassins' in London and the room has since been redecorated, with its walls painted brown.".

Enlil, I still have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Enlil said:
Of course, who doesn't have rare Russian nerve agent with them at all times?  NOTHING BURGER HERE FOLKS.


:lolwut:

Are you trying to dethrone koods as the king of make believe?  (if so, you still have a long ways to go)

Enlil said:
The added detail that one of them was a colonel in the GRU who was awarded the hero of the Russian federation medal is totally irrelevant, I'm sure.


Again, that was debunked.


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Says you


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
I don't know if this former Marine is innocent or not.  All the Ruskies claim is he took pics of their version of the FBI.  Not a real strong card.


No, that's not all the Russians are claiming; that's all CNN (king of fake news) claims.

I hope the Russians don't take as long to reveal their evidence as the US typically does (often never).


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (01/02/19 12:11 AM)

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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Not only is she guilty she’s been convicted


Of not filling out paperwork required before hobnobbing with US officials; not for spying.


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Says you


Which points above do you want evidence for?


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Enlil said:
Butina pled guilty. Her presumption of innocence has been rebutted.


She pled guilty of not filing paperwork for talking to US officials.  She didn't plead guilty to spying.

Enlil said:
The skripal poisoning was this century


A perfect example of them wanting evidence, which is opposite your claim.


It sounds worse when it is phrased correctly, "failing to register as a foreign agent" which is a serious felony with prison time. When this investigation first started getting traction I mentioned an article that stated that a large number of individuals got scared and immediately registered as foreign agents, which was I believe historically unprecedented.


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I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Fox news isn't reporting anything on this today that I could see.

Maybe it should be under their 'faith and values' section?

Fox is still going down with the Trump yacht.


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Morel Guy]
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https://www.google.com/amp/amp.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/novi-man-arrested-in-russia-on-charges-of-spying


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
It sounds worse when it is phrased correctly, "failing to register as a foreign agent"


Yes, it sounds more scary when phrased that way.  Which is why I phrased it in plain English.

Why aren't Israel's foreign agents being thrown in jail for not registering?


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (01/02/19 09:41 AM)

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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: XUL]
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How is that all that more info than what CNN posted?

It say's nothing about our original communication where I said he took pics of the FSB and nothing more has been stated....Enil said that is all CNN published.  So what did FOX add?


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Re: Trump goes on twitter tirade after Russia takes former US marine hostage [Re: Morel Guy]
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Hell if I know.

I would just search Google.

Someone should call them out on Twitter


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