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Poly tubing vs laundry baskets
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So I know most people that grow gourmet mushrooms, like oysters, use poly tubing or some other form of plastic to make logs or blocks. And while using laundry baskets is also given as an idea, most full time growers I see on here are using the plastic.

So I was wondering why this is. Are blocks/logs superior? Because if not, it would make sense to me to use laundry baskets since they are reusable.

Thanks.


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Re: Poly tubing vs laundry baskets [Re: TedTheHighlighter]
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Time is money. Cheaper to throw away plastic than to clean buckets or baskets.

Hobby growers aren't as concerned about time spent cleaning.


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Re: Poly tubing vs laundry baskets [Re: Quadman]
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:whathesaid:

Poly tubing logs are easy to fill, easy to rotate and easy to dispose of.

I use plastic buckets as I got them for free and they are reusable, and can be stacked on nice towers to make them space-efficent. My buckets are 4-5kg each, so they are easy to move.

I think you'd better use buckets than laundry baskets, because laundry baskets have too much area exposed to air, so you need to cover them with garbage bag to keep humidity. When fruiting they also have a lot of area, so you won't get nice homogeneous clusters, so you spend more time harvesting and also cleaning all the remainder mycelium stucked to the body of the laundry basket seems a fucking pain in the ass.

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Re: Poly tubing vs laundry baskets [Re: Inocybe]
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Inocybe said:
I think you'd better use buckets than laundry baskets, because laundry baskets have too much area exposed to air, so you need to cover them with garbage bag to keep humidity. When fruiting they also have a lot of area, so you won't get nice homogeneous clusters, so you spend more time harvesting and also cleaning all the remainder mycelium stucked to the body of the laundry basket seems a fucking pain in the ass.



This is interesting. Do you put any type of air exchange means into your buckets like filters or plain holes or just let them colonize in a sealed bucket and then take the resulting "stump" out?

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Re: Poly tubing vs laundry baskets [Re: denger]
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Lots of info on the Shroomery search. Here is a link.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23662421#23662421


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Re: Poly tubing vs laundry baskets [Re: Quadman]
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Laundry baskets are for straw. Most people use hardwood fuel pellets and soy hulls at least the smart ones do.

Buckets are a pain also trust me. Save yourself the trouble and get some 5-micron large spawn bags or x-large spawn bags off eBay.

Or use the straw and get 1/4 the yield for 3 times the trouble.


Edited by SHROOMSISAY01 (12/13/18 11:50 PM)

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Re: Poly tubing vs laundry baskets [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
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Blocks are superior because of the sub. Hardwood fuel pellets and soy hulls.

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Re: Poly tubing vs laundry baskets [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
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SHROOMSISAY01 said:
Laundry baskets are for straw. Most people use hardwood fuel pellets and soy hulls at least the smart ones do.

Buckets are a pain also trust me. Save yourself the trouble and get some 5-micron large spawn bags or x-large spawn bags off eBay.

Or use the straw and get 1/4 the yield for 3 times the trouble.





I think he asked about growing on straw, not sawdust. I use straw buckets for growing oysters and sawdust blocks for growing the other species. I only have 1 barrel sterilizer, so the saturdays I run it for blocks and simultaneously I use another barrel with a basket to pasteurize straw. I fill each bucket with 7lb or so of wet straw and I get 2 or 2,5lb of oysters. I know sawdust is better and easy to work with but straw is cheap, ready available, easy to inoculate (pasteurized sub) and doing buckets you don't throw a lot of plastic to the landfill. Unless you're growing at a serious commercial level, I wouldn't recommend growing oysters on sawdust bags, I think it is a waste of expensive filter bags, and not-eco friendly.

Related to bags, I would recommend 0,5 micron.
5 micron bags aren't for spawn unless you incubate them on a clean room. Still, I don't recommend 5 micron filter bags as they lose a lot of air when trying to mix them.

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Re: Poly tubing vs laundry baskets [Re: Inocybe]
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Inocybe said:
SHROOMSISAY01 said:
Laundry baskets are for straw. Most people use hardwood fuel pellets and soy hulls at least the smart ones do.

Buckets are a pain also trust me. Save yourself the trouble and get some 5-micron large spawn bags or x-large spawn bags off eBay.

Or use the straw and get 1/4 the yield for 3 times the trouble.





I think he asked about growing on straw, not sawdust. I use straw buckets for growing oysters and sawdust blocks for growing the other species. I only have 1 barrel sterilizer, so the saturdays I run it for blocks and simultaneously I use another barrel with a basket to pasteurize straw. I fill each bucket with 7lb or so of wet straw and I get 2 or 2,5lb of oysters. I know sawdust is better and easy to work with but straw is cheap, ready available, easy to inoculate (pasteurized sub) and doing buckets you don't throw a lot of plastic to the landfill. Unless you're growing at a serious commercial level, I wouldn't recommend growing oysters on sawdust bags, I think it is a waste of expensive filter bags, and not-eco friendly.

Related to bags, I would recommend 0,5 micron.
5 micron bags aren't for spawn unless you incubate them on a clean room. Still, I don't recommend 5 micron filter bags as they lose a lot of air when trying to mix them.



Where does he say anything about straw? He said
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TedTheHighlighter:
most full time growers I see on here are using the plastic.
So I was wondering why this is. Are blocks/logs superior?



So I explained why people use bags and that most people prefer hardwood and soy hulls if they can get them. I don't think anyone is going to do HWFP in a laundry basket. And yes blocks with HWFP are superior!! I get twice the flush with HWFP and soy hulls than I did with straw.

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Re: Poly tubing vs laundry baskets [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
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SHROOMSISAY01 said:
Where does he say anything about straw?



I think the title of the thread is self-explaining :shrug:, as you said, no one is going to use a laundry basket for hwfp. Poly tubing either (only saw it being used by Wild Branch farm to do the non treated hwfp cold incubation method).

And yes, you're right about the master mix recipe. I didn't said otherwise. What I'd mean is for some people (me included) is very hard to get soy bean hulls (I use wheat bran and sun dried spent coffee grounds) but also hardwood sawdust and chips are a treasured substrate for me, so I keep them for more rewarding crops. I prefer using locally available and cheap barley straw for oysters (except for eryngii), as it gives me nice harvests too, and as I said before, I save money using reusable buckets instead of expensive filter bags that need to be sterilized and inoculated in sterile/aseptic enviroment.

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