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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: PsientistX]
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Ayy found the thread

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25167738

The OP is unrelated, but Bodh gets to talking about stamets.


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Edited by Svetaketu (10/10/18 01:50 PM)

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: morrowasted]
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So you don't think it's hillarious and odd that a mycologist from the Shroomery forums would argue with their predecessor? I would red flag that. As far neurogenesis goes even he says that it's speculation. He wants it to be studied. Everything else is backed with strong evidence. Again sounds like somebody just trying to get attention. I mean the FDA wants to reclassify psilocybin. Why would you argue this guy. He is a serious scientist. He has real credentials. He has won awards on this stuff lol.

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: PsientistX]
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I mean, I am appreciative of his political work with Psilocybin mushrooms, but based on the evidence, the guy kinda seems like a hack.

I mean did you read some of this stuff?

RogerRabbit said:
Anyone who makes you sign a statement before buying a culture that you won't tell ANYONE where you got the culture is selling bunk, period.

In 2009 after I built our mushroom farm, I ordered a Portabella culture and a week after it arrived it was totally green with trichoderma, yet had never been opened or removed from the bag the test tube was shipped in.  I called to get a replacement and 'Jim' told me it must be because I'm inexperienced and screwed up the culture.  There would be no guarantee, and the 'contract' says if I told anyone it arrived contaminated they'd sue me.



I can agree he's done some good things too, but my respect for the guy is shattered.

I also really liked stamets at one point (bought 2 of his books) but some of the people calling him out are (what I would consider) the best mycologists on the site. In fact from listening to them, I've learned more about mycology than reading 2 of stamets books, or anything else stamets has ever said.

But look, if you wanna idolize the guy, that's up to you.


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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: Svetaketu]
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No I'm at work right now give me sometime to read it. Man I don't idolize him it's just he is the only guy we got to argue our side of things to Uncle Sam. I just find it counter productive. Give me some time to read those threads.

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: PsientistX]
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I got shitake plug spawn from him years ago and had it shipped to kentucky. They fruited just fine. I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes or his employees don't. They should have replaced the culture at least once.

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: PsientistX]
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No problem, take your time :pipesmoke:

He's not the only one, just the most well known. But regardless, I'm not saying we should actively stop him, that'd be silly.

But I, for one, am never going to buy anything he sells, for fear of being ripped off.


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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: Svetaketu]
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Well man I admit. It's very interesting. I don't know enough about his company or how the mushroom business world works. But seems like nobody is debating his mycology work. And neither is the FDA or the DEA so I don't know man. One thing you have to understand about business tho is business. This is a capitalistic country, one must capitalize. Did you know its a law that business's must make as much money as they possibly can? I also don't know how his company operates as far as how many layers. I mean does Paul just own the company but don't do much with the marketing side. I don't know. I think he has good intentions though as far as science goes.

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: PsientistX]
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Quote:
. Did you know its a law that business's must make as much money as they possibly can?

I actually didn't. What law is that?

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: morrowasted]
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Sorry not a law lol more like serious business model.

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: PsientistX]
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PsientistX said:
Sorry not a law lol more like serious business model.


You're saying that a person can't possibly operate a "serious" business without prioritizing the maximization of profits over the consistent use of principles?

We normally don't treat new people this harshly. but you might as well get used to being challenged now cuz it happens often around here.

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: morrowasted]
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Fungi Perfecti has been around since I was a little kid. I remember reading the old catalog and the logo at my grandma's house. He brought kombucha to the world, or at least popularized it. He tried to have it patented but since it's a contamination of yeasts and bacteria, it was never actually approved by the fda... Are they the best mushroom kit suppliers or culture suppliers? Probably not but who is? He has helped take away the phobia surrounding mushrooms, and in particular the genus psilocybe.

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: passifloracaerulea]
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His theory of the bees, bears, conk, and forest is pretty sound to me, although based solely on observation. In this case that is probably the best we'll get. A lot goes on unnoticed by us with the mushroom kingdom. Every new food source gives information to the organism to survive new conditions.

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: morrowasted]
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Haha challenging people should be encouraged. We would still be slaves to some asshole dictator( who talks to god)  if views held were not challenged. As long as it is with pure intentions. But yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Especially in a capitalistic world and especially if you want to make it longer than ten years.

Edited by PsientistX (10/10/18 07:19 PM)

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Re: Waddduuuuuppppp! [Re: passifloracaerulea]
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I conclude. What he said

Edited by PsientistX (10/10/18 07:23 PM)

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