akira_akuma said:

it'd be wise to presume that Karl also is talking about Communists.
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Really, with sufficient photoshop-fu he is probably talking about whoever you want

The Ecstatic said:

we gonna equate 2 billion people with nazis on the basis of their religion?

Either way, the West is killing Muslims in about a dozen different nations right now.

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Personally viewed it as a reference to intolerant beliefs contained within Islam
rather than the religion of Islam on the whole

your interpretation is interesting tho
wonder what would incline you towards viewing the entirety of followers of a divided religion
as a homogeneous whole

Muslims are busy killing Muslims too
The West has Muslim allies against ISIS

Tantrika said:

your interpretation is interesting tho
wonder what would incline you towards viewing the entirety of followers of a divided religion
as a homogeneous whole

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Muslims are busy killing Muslims too
The West has Muslim allies against ISIS

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Tipote said:

Tantrika said:

your interpretation is interesting tho
wonder what would incline you towards viewing the entirety of followers of a divided religion
as a homogeneous whole

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to be honest, I thought you were the one lumping them into one group with that photoshop. If you used the Da'esh flag instead of the islamic crescent then it would have been a bit more discerning.

Also, framing Merkel as intentionally allowing wahabis into Germany, when what she did was allowed refugees, also distorted the message you meant.
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Tipote said:

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Muslims are busy killing Muslims too
The West has Muslim allies against ISIS

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True, but America and its allies have a strong role in that too.

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qman said:

Everyone prejudges people and their environments, that also applies to people in power. What exactly is you point?

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qman said:

"If a policeman thinks, like qman, that black people are inherently violent criminals"
But that's not what I think, nice try.

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qman said:

Give us a break, police use statistical commonsense just like everyone else, where is your outrage over males being the focus of law enforcement relative to females, that's just commonsense, correct?

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Tantrika said:

It is interesting to me that you interpret/represent it to be my photoshop work

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my post simply indicated how readily the message of his quote is changed by the images placed alongside it
as demonstrated by existing modifications already being dispersed in the wake of the comic becoming popular

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Tantrika said:

The Sunni/Shia divide in Islam
long predates the existence of America
by something like 1000+ years

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Tantrika said:

The Ecstatic said:

we gonna equate 2 billion people with nazis on the basis of their religion?

Either way, the West is killing Muslims in about a dozen different nations right now.

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Personally viewed it as a reference to intolerant beliefs contained within Islam
rather than the religion of Islam on the whole

your interpretation is interesting tho
wonder what would incline you towards viewing the entirety of followers of a divided religion
as a homogeneous whole

Muslims are busy killing Muslims too
The West has Muslim allies against ISIS

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Blood is on everyone's hands but outside intervention is a clearly very significant contributor.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

Everyone prejudges people and their environments, that also applies to people in power. What exactly is you point?

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That people who disproportionately have power use their positions to maintain a hierarchy that benefits them at the expense of others. They tend to be straight, white, male, ablebodied and rich.

qman said:

"If a policeman thinks, like qman, that black people are inherently violent criminals"
But that's not what I think, nice try.

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What have I misunderstood then? Express yourself if i'm really so mistaken.

qman said:

Give us a break, police use statistical commonsense just like everyone else, where is your outrage over males being the focus of law enforcement relative to females, that's just commonsense, correct?

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And if your "statistical commonsense" says that black people are a threat then you will have that set prejudice based on skin colour..plus the position of power to effect people's lives.. which affects the statistics and perpetuates the prejudice.

The statistics show there isn't really a difference between drug taking among whites and blacks but that black people are more likely to go to prison as a consequence, and for longer. Why are you so determined to ignore the statistics that don't superficially seem to support your prejudice?

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qman said:

But anyone in power prejudges, are you suggesting only whites do this?  If so, that sounds like racism.

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But whites disproportionately have the positions of power.. so their prejudice maintains their grip on those positions of power. When power starts to be more fairly distributed some whites start boohooing about racism.

Its interesting that you always criticise me for treating people like victims by highlighting structural racism..but you go on and on about the poor oppressed white man.

qman said:

"What have I misunderstood then?"
That the criminal statistics aren't racist.

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qman said:

The "statistical commonsense" just says a more or less of a threat and it adjusts when new information is available.  The same applies to sex, age, geographical location and social-economic status.

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qman said:

No, they go to prison for drug crimes based on drug dealing and the violence (guns possession) associated with it. They also have pass crimes which lead to prison sentences. The vast majority of drug users to not end up in prison.

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Enlil said:

We all trace back to a single ancestor.  That's the bottleneck. 

And your argument is weak because it doesn't offer any evidence of a causal nexus that influences people of today.  I could say that we are all products of an asteroid that killed the dinosaurs.  Does that mean that the asteroid impact is a factor in our conduct today?

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Why do you try so hard to play so dumb? I do believe you are smarter than this

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meltdowner said:

Enlil said:

We all trace back to a single ancestor.  That's the bottleneck. 

And your argument is weak because it doesn't offer any evidence of a causal nexus that influences people of today.  I could say that we are all products of an asteroid that killed the dinosaurs.  Does that mean that the asteroid impact is a factor in our conduct today?

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wrong

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The Ecstatic said:

Tantrika said:

The Ecstatic said:

we gonna equate 2 billion people with nazis on the basis of their religion?

Either way, the West is killing Muslims in about a dozen different nations right now.

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Personally viewed it as a reference to intolerant beliefs contained within Islam
rather than the religion of Islam on the whole

your interpretation is interesting tho
wonder what would incline you towards viewing the entirety of followers of a divided religion
as a homogeneous whole

Muslims are busy killing Muslims too
The West has Muslim allies against ISIS

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Is there a radical Islamist in the oval office? wahhabists advising him in the west wing? a growing arab ethnostate movement?

Thats why its a dumb comparison. We've already decided that killing Muslims is fine. Thats why we've killed about 2 million of them since 9/11.

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do not personally agree with your espoused decision that killing "Muslims,"
as a homogeneous whole,
is fine
so you doubling down on your use of 'we' talk to engage the issue is interesting to me

are you also in some sort of personal debate on whether killing Nazis is okay?

Nazis are cunts, their ideology is wrong
and the same can be said of radical Islamists

But, to me, the affairs of the oval office are on-par with the affairs of politics in Islamic countries
as a Canadian, get to say with honesty and indifference that Trump is not my president
but as a citizen of "the West", get to engage with you in open discussion on comparative policies between the given regions
in a manner that is not so readily afforded to me with dissident citizens of Islamist areas

making the biggest reason the comparison is dumb
the fact that the US is not actually dealing with the type of situation he describes
as the US is, and should continue to be, a place where radical ideas can be opposed by superior ideas in rational argument
rather than with violence and suppression

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“The so-called paradox of freedom is the argument that freedom in the sense of absence of any constraining control must lead to very great restraint, since it makes the bully free to enslave the meek. The idea is, in a slightly different form, and with very different tendency, clearly expressed in Plato.

Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.”

― Karl R. Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies

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https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/25998-the-so-called-paradox-of-freedom-is-the-argument-that-freedom

Tantrika said:

do not personally agree with your espoused decision that killing "Muslims,"
as a homogeneous whole,
is fine
so you doubling down on your use of 'we' talk to engage the issue is interesting to me

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Tantrika said:

the US is, and should continue to be, a place where radical ideas can be opposed by superior ideas in rational argument
rather than with violence and suppression

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