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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 3
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wrong.
the comparison is so incongruous with my post that I can only assume that you are either
A) being willfully ignorant
or
B) actually unable to read and understand the several papers I've posted for you in several threads with regard to this very subject.

Edit: at least you didn't call it "an opinion piece" like Stonehenge is wont to do.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 2
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You completely misunderstand the point.  There is genetic diversity, but that genetic diversity isn't divided along the same lines as our socially construed races.  Instead, the diversity is across all races.  That means that our concept of "race" in humans is meaningless from a genetic standpoint.  Using skin color as a dividing line is just as probative as using nose shape, finger length, or any other arbitrary phenotype.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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Bingo, hence:
Quote:
...even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population. Thus, caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
That sets them apart from akira, then.


you should provide an example of wtf you are talking about.

Tipote said:
50mmprime said:
Not worth arguing with fucking morons dude. If someone is starting from the point of not believing that racism exists or is a problem in the US, there's no amount of logical argument that will convince them.


True, but he continues to prove my point about his role in the rise of the fascists.

Also, I hope to get through to more open minded people than qman and akira


you're just running in circles trying to excuse bad behavior.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
You completely misunderstand the point.  There is genetic diversity, but that genetic diversity isn't divided along the same lines as our socially construed races.  Instead, the diversity is across all races.  That means that our concept of "race" in humans is meaningless from a genetic standpoint.  Using skin color as a dividing line is just as probative as using nose shape, finger length, or any other arbitrary phenotype.


"our concept of 'race' in humans is meaningless from a genetic standpoint"

No it's not, there's genetic differences based on race.

"Using skin color"

Is skin color the only difference between races?  No.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Bingo, hence:
Quote:
...even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population. Thus, caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes.



Yes, there's sometimes an exception to the rule, but more often than not it's not the case.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
"our concept of 'race' in humans is meaningless from a genetic standpoint"

No it's not, there's genetic differences based on race.




No there aren't.  There is no such thing as race among humans.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
Is skin color the only difference between races?  No.


Okay, identify another difference.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
No there aren't.  There is no such thing as race among humans.


there is also no such thing as a Zed, but no one is stopping that nonsense.

there are genetic differences between people from different gene pools, that's the point- what it's called is irrelevant in the long run; it might be an informal nomenclature for sub-species, but regardless...it's there.

Enlil said:
qman said:
Is skin color the only difference between races?  No.


Okay, identify another difference.


rate of specific ailments due to "race".

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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not to any significant degree.  This is for a number of reasons, mainly genetic bottlenecks from the distant past, but also interbreeding in the modern era(the last 500 years).  There is more variation within population groups than there is between.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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ballsalsa said:
qman said:
"our concept of 'race' in humans is meaningless from a genetic standpoint"

No it's not, there's genetic differences based on race.




No there aren't.  There is no such thing as race among humans.


https://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html

"human genetic variation is that variation tends to be geographically structured, such that most individuals from the same geographical region will BE MORE SIMILAR to one another than individuals from a distant region."

"genetic variation is geographically structured, as expected from partial isolation of human population during much of history...Because traditional concepts of race are in turn correlated with geography, it is inaccurate to state that race is 'biologically meaningless."

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
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Rate of occurrence is something to use as an analytic tool.  It has no value in determining the race of a particular person.  If someone gets sickle cell anemia, we can't say they are black because of that, can we?

That is EXACTLY what we do with skin color, though.  We use it to determine race.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: ballsalsa]
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yeah, well, what about the homosapian/neanderthal distinction in genetics? is this not provable? European neanderthalism, for the win.

:hillbilly:

Enlil said:
Rate of occurrence is something to use as an analytic tool.  It has no value in determining the race of a particular person.  If someone gets sickle cell anemia, we can't say they are black because of that, can we?

That is EXACTLY what we do with skin color, though.  We use it to determine race.


well, there goes your argument.

you can't even define what you're trying to define without using the word "race". funny that.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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Race exists, sure.  In many species, it exists as a biological grouping.  In humans, it exists as a social grouping.



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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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it's a grouping for sub-species, or like i've said, "kinds". kinds is a good word. no one will agree (even in spirit). but it's true. less confusion that "race".

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 4
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There are no human subspecies, either. 

Whatever term you use, it's arbitrary and socially construed.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
yeah, well, what about the homosapian/neanderthal distinction in genetics? is this not provable? European neanderthalism, for the win.




east asians are, on average, more genetically similar to neanderthals.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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we are a complex species. but we do have differences in genetics based on variable phenotype grouping, and we do have different subcultures in human kinds.

ballsalsa said:
akira_akuma said:
yeah, well, what about the homosapian/neanderthal distinction in genetics? is this not provable? European neanderthalism, for the win.




east asians are on average more genetically similar to neanderthals.


and Africans, have less so genetic similarity, right? or so i hear.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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that is the prevailing opinion, yes.  Although, it should be noted that this is only really true for indigenous sub-saharan africans, and still has no bearing on the validity of the concept of race.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma]
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We all share a common ancestor.


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