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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
"people are pitted against people of colour"

Get a grip already, you're trying to start a race war.

"the scene is to the advantage of Nazis"

If will be because of the people like yourself, you keep pushing moderates to the far-right.


You are like Neo, dodging bullets
You keep saying that people like me push moderates to the far-right and you said that I make it worse for people of colour. Answer the question - how?!

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"its the genetic differences in the present that result in unequal outcomes"

The sooner you come to realize this fact you can stop blaming and attacking innocent people for the inequality. Do you share a similar outrage for the owners of the NBA and NFL teams?


This fact??! This has NEVER been established as a fact. This is just your racist world view, which ignore all historical context as to how people got to where they are.


"Answer the question, how?"

You're blaming people just based on their heritage and skin color, what type of reaction do you think you're going to get?  Why do you think Trump and others are winning major elections?  It's because of people like yourself. You're making everything much worse and you're going to end up with blood on your hands.

"This is your racist world view"

So genetics don't play any role in human performance and behavior?  Please go after the NBA and NFL, their discrimination based on race is off the charts.

"ignore all historical context"

When does history stop being a rationalization?  It's 2017, we have black doctors, lawyers. judges, CEO of large global corporations, police chiefs, DA's, Congressmen, bankers and even a US President.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
qman said:
shivas.wisdom said:
qman said:
I don't think Ecstatic and Shivas have any issue justifying their position on this subject. :shrug:


Where have I ever "justified Antifa being violent against people they THINK deserve it"? Quotes please.


So what should be done to a group of "Nazis" spewing the worst of their rhetoric?  Just sit back and listen?


Actual fascists are not equivalent to "people I think deserve it".


Thank you for you honesty, now we're getting somewhere.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 1
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Are we?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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You do the same bullshit as Trump's "both sides" rhetoric.


you keep IGNORING the fact that ANTIFA has ATTACKED people for SUPPORTING TRUMP.

supporting the president =/= fascism.

they attack innocent people. they need to be mowed down already, it's been almost a year, enough is enough of their syndicate activity.

Enlil said:
akira_akuma said:
well, Rothchilds need to die. they are the scum of the earth.



So, a family that has literally donated millions to helping people needs to die, while you live rent-free at your parents and make videos about how you don't have time to help the homeless?


the Rothschilds are a banking cartel that needs to die, and their charitible givings doesn't exculpate them from their evil deeds. it's called a "front". gee, as a lawyer, you'd think you'd know what a front is...but we all know that you are just shilling.

Enlil is the true centrist around here.

Tipote said:
Are we?


it depends. will you admit that attacking innocent people for supporting Trump is wrong?

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
"examples?"
I don't think Ecstatic and Shivas have any issue justifying their position on this subject. :shrug:


You made the claim, back it up!
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I think Antifa and Nazi groups both receive the same standards of judgment by the vast majority of the general public. They both behave in a very similar fashion, but Antifa is even more radical in my opinion.


Nazism isnt as radical as the people who don't want Nazism?
the SAME standards? One side are Nazis and other people are fighting Nazis, if they are judged on an equal basis then it ignores that relationship.

You do the same bullshit as Trump's "both sides" rhetoric.
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"these narratives can lead to mass deportation of muslims by a government"
Asking for tighter immigration laws is hardly "mass deportation of muslims".


Again you keep evading the point. No one said that tight immigration laws = deportation of muslims. Your royal strawiness doesn't seem to understand that laws change and with people like you who think that muslims are incompatible with the West, it creates a twisted rational to eject those people. Does it mean its happening now? No

I swear you must intentionally try to be as obtuse as possible.


"other people are fighting Nazis"

But they're not, they're attacking people that they disagree with on certain issues.  The general public can see this fact and that's why there's a very negative view of Antifa.

Attacking people that want to listen to Ben speak isn't "fighting Nazis". :facepalm:  Same with Ann Coulter.

Wanting to defend national borders and reducing immigration is a rational position, deal with it. The vast majority of US citizens don't believe in your radical approach to immigration.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma]
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Trump has more money than Lord Rothschild.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
"Answer the question, how?"

You're blaming people just based on their heritage and skin color, what type of reaction do you think you're going to get?  Why do you think Trump and others are winning major elections?  It's because of people like yourself. You're making everything much worse and you're going to end up with blood on your hands.


Change the record, mate. "Blood on your hands" from the guy rationalising the rise of Nazism as the fault of people fighting against them.. OK THEN

So white supremacy is just a part and parcel of our heritage and skin colour?

Blaming structures that disproportionately disadvantage some over others is not the same as blaming individuals. The fact that you take it personally shows you still make it about yourself when the issue is wider than you.
qman said:So genetics don't play any role in human performance and behavior?  Please go after the NBA and NFL, their discrimination based on race is off the charts.


No one suggested genetics don't play an influencing factor in a bunch of things. What youre saying is that those inequalities come from natural genetic inequalities.

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qman said:
When does history stop being a rationalization?  It's 2017, we have black doctors, lawyers. judges, CEO of large global corporations, police chiefs, DA's, Congressmen, bankers and even a US President.


Yes, things change because of the movements that have pushed for change, and systems that attempt to address gross imbalances - like affirmative action. Are you one of those "racism is over because we elected a black guy" people? That completely ignores the rest of the system and history.

Why would you dismiss historical context?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Trump has more money than Lord Rothschild.


who cares? Trump's total net worth is $8.7 billion.

the Rothschild's family is estimated at $300 – $400 billion range.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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akira_akuma said:
Tipote said:
Are we?


it depends. will you admit that attacking innocent people for supporting Trump is wrong?


Of course, thats obvious. But Nazis also support Trump. If those Trump supporters happen to also be Nazis, then a smashing they will receive...


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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yeah, but if they aren't nazis then ANTIFA gets...a...what? a smashing? or if they attack innocents, do they get a pass? see that's my problem. do they get a pass or not? i think 'not'.

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Why would you dismiss historical context?


HE IS, but you want him to not dismiss your "context", which isn't truthful, it's false.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Presentism
it's PRESENTISM, and you are fallacious in your reasoning.

Edited by akira_akuma (11/02/17 12:23 PM)

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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So, anything less than a Nazi is an innocent?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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no. anything more than non-violence is non-innocence.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
akira_akuma said:
Tipote said:
Are we?


it depends. will you admit that attacking innocent people for supporting Trump is wrong?


Of course, thats obvious. But Nazis also support Trump. If those Trump supporters happen to also be Nazis, then a smashing they will receive...


So here we go, you also support physically attacking an innocent person based on their potential viewpoints. And your worried about fascists.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
it's false. it's PRESENTISM. it's a FALLACY.


Go BIFURCATE yourself

:lol:


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Tipote said:
akira_akuma said:
Tipote said:
Are we?


it depends. will you admit that attacking innocent people for supporting Trump is wrong?


Of course, thats obvious. But Nazis also support Trump. If those Trump supporters happen to also be Nazis, then a smashing they will receive...


So here we go, you also support physically attacking an innocent person based on their potential viewpoints. And your worried about fascists.


Notice I said "THATS OBVIOUS". That relates to it being obvious that attacking innocent people just for supporting Trump is not ok.

Smashing Nazis, KKK etc is fair game :grin:

Learn to read.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
akira_akuma said:
it's false. it's PRESENTISM. it's a FALLACY.


Go BIFURCATE yourself

:lol:


it's PRESENTISM at it's most fallacious. you assume that the same people who were once mistreated are "still mistreated" somehow, when they are not.


you go BIFURCATE (???) YOURSELF.

:flowstone: "using words liek bifurcate, that shit pisses me off stop with the big words!"

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Smashing Nazis, KKK etc is fair game :grin:


and also smashing ANTIFA, consider they attack innocent people. bad guys, remember?

also, it's a national pass time to kick the shit out of commies. let's do that too. they only killed more people then Hitler.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
akira_akuma said:
Tipote said:
Are we?


it depends. will you admit that attacking innocent people for supporting Trump is wrong?


Of course, thats obvious. But Nazis also support Trump. If those Trump supporters happen to also be Nazis, then a smashing they will receive...


So here we go, you also support physically attacking an innocent person based on their potential viewpoints. And your worried about fascists.


Notice I said "THATS OBVIOUS". That relates to it being obvious that attacking innocent people just for supporting Trump is not ok.

Smashing Nazis, KKK etc is fair game :grin:

Learn to read.


I'm reading just fine, you support violence against people because of their ideology, even though they have caused you and others no harm. I'm glad we have this on record, your true colors were going to come out at some point.

What are your violent plans for Saturday Nov. 4th?

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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qman, do you remember your favourite bedtime story?

The one where the indignant righteous white masses "cleanse" Europe and the US of undesirables? And how its all my fault?

Remember I told you before that people will stand up and defend those people. Enter - Antifa.

I hope that ruined your bed times.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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ANTIFA is older than ANTIFA. but you know, Shiva can tell you all about that.

they didn't rise up to defend anything but the soiling of the nation, and the continuance of anomie.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman]
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qman said:
What are your violent plans for Saturday Nov. 4th?


I'm taking bets on this happening in the bet thread, if you wanna put your money where your mouth is.


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