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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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no, she just is sick of people whinging.

oh boo hoo she was fat black and on smack! boo hoo. cry me a fuckign river.

no, in fact, let's spend all year talking about it...no, even better, let's all blather about how "muh wages" are no good cause of rich people. Enlil? no?

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Lol, yeah....she died from blunt force trauma to the chest from falling on her back.  Dude, you crack me up.


yeah, and you concluded she fell on her back, how?

https://squawker.org/culture-wars/forensic-expert-confirms-heather-heyer-was-not-murdered/
“As a detective, I have to look at sheer evidence. The Heyer case bothers me for a lot of reasons. I list them below.

“Firstly, video footage shows James Fields’ car was under attack by several people. His natural reaction was likely fight or flight, rather than sitting there and letting himself be exposed to harm. Fields’ plea for innocence may be helped by the fact that he waited quite a while for the streets to clear. It appears Fields’ did not have the intent to kill but was provoked by an attack. There are laws like the Castle Doctrine and Stand-Your-Ground that protect people when they are under attack. Many states have them.

“Not only was Fields’ car attacked by people on foot, it appears the other two cars in front of him were under attack. Heather Heyer appears to have been one of the attackers based on the position of her body on the hood of the gray car in the photo. The position of Heyer’s body in the photo would be considered extremely atypical of somebody who was struck by a vehicle. Heyer’s body does not look like it has sustained trauma, even after the charger struck the car in front of it. This could mean that Heyer was climbing on the hood/windshield of the gray car before the impact. Additionally, there was no damage to the car hood or windshield caused by the impact of Heyer’s body. Again, this would be very atypical in a case involving car blunt force trauma.

“If anything, it looks like Heyer was climbing on the gray vehicle’s hood and windshield before the charger hit the back of it, and the force of the strike caused Heyer to fall off the side. You can see the same thing happened to the individual who appeared to have been climbing on the hood of the purple Honda. He was thrown off the side of the car and likely sustained injuries.

“If prosecutors find that Heyer was already climbing on the gray vehicle, they wouldn’t even be able to get a manslaughter charge on Fields, let alone a second degree murder charge. While it is sad, Heyer acted illegally by climbing on somebody else’s car in the first place. She put herself at risk.

“Most in the press doesn’t realize it, but the prosecution will face a massive uphill battle to get second degree murder. Fields was massively overcharged in this incident. It appears Heather Heyer wasn’t murdered, she was a victim of her own reckless actions.”

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 4
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Akira, listen to yourself.  You are literally defending someone who rammed his car into a crowd of people by saying he was "provoked."  Certainly none of those people he hit attacked him before he hit them.  He was over a block away when he started his run-up.

What is it, Akira, that makes you think that the driver is anything but culpable?

BTW, your post above says that Heyer wasn't the one in your other video, but instead was the one in the teal shirt on top of the grey car's hood.  Pick a lie and stick with it.  Switching lies isn't very effective.



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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil] * 1
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and akira doesn't get why I call him an apologist :crazy2:


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
Several members in this forum have justified Antifa being violent against people they THINK deserve it. 


examples?
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The people and students going to see Ben weren't "making bombs...shot at protestors..ran over protesters", they were innocent people going to listen to an invited speaker on campus, for that reason they were physically attacked.


I follow the European Antifascist groups more than the American so I'm not sure what relevance Ben Shapiro is. As far as I'm aware, people were there because Steve Bannon and Milo that cunt had a platform.

When you guys say antifa this, antifa that. Are you ever going to learn its a collection of a range of groups and individuals?

Also, why are you bending over backwards to pretend that there aren't Nazis in the US and that these groups aren't commiting violence against people? I have seen multiple reports buried in the media of these groups preparing bombs, actual cases of shootings and murders. Black people are being lynched, mosques are being firebombed, etc etc.
How much longer will you turn a blind eye to all this? Nazis can kill people and it goes under the radar and brushed off by the fucking President but quite the difference when its a person of colour committing violence. Do you not see that double standard?

Remember how just after the recent NYC attack, you immediately said - why do we need people from uzbekistan here? Part of white privilege is never having anyone assume you are foreign by the way you look. What if that Uzbek guy's family had been in the US for multiple generations, I don't doubt there would still be the narrative of - why did we let his family in in the first place? It feeds your narrative of "muslims are incompatible with western society".. so again do you or do you not accept that its possible these narratives can lead to mass deportations of muslims by a government that thinks like you?


"examples?"

I don't think Ecstatic and Shivas have any issue justifying their position on this subject. :shrug:

"Do you not see the double standard?"

I think Antifa and Nazi groups both receive the same standards of judgment by the vast majority of the general public. They both behave in a very similar fashion, but Antifa is even more radical in my opinion.

"these narratives can lead to mass deportation of muslims by a government"

Asking for tighter immigration laws is hardly "mass deportation of muslims".

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil] * 1
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I wonder if he puts an equal amount of time and effort attempting to defend the violent actions of antifascists too?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Certainly none of those people he hit attacked him before he hit them.


wrong. video i posted clearly shows someone throwing something at his car.

i'm just sick of the lies.
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He was over a block away when he started his run-up.


now this is TRUTH. thank you, finally. i was beginning to worry.

but there is no evidence he wasn't provoked a block away. if someone had attacked his vehicle then, that'd raise a person's defenses and flight-or-fight reaction, and then when you try to drive down the road and the same people, who PERHAPS attacked him beforehand, are blocking the road, and he's surrounded at all sides, and one of them (as is shown in the video) throws something at your car, again attacking your car, the guy would be in some manner set up for an imperfect self-defense. he was provoked, and scared. sort of like Zimmerman/Trayvon was.

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What is it, Akira, that makes you think that the driver is anything but culpable?


i didn't say he wasn't. he isn't exculpated from his actions.
shivas.wisdom said:
I wonder if he puts an equal amount of time and effort attempting to defend the violent actions of antifascists too?


you mean, the fascists?

the family of communist/anarchists who rive through streets unchallenged, whom attack people for being patriotic?

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BTW, your post above says that Heyer wasn't the one in your other video, but instead was the one in the teal shirt on top of the grey car's hood.


exposing lies isn't lying. i'm trying to find the truth. the reports are all inconclusive, and people are talking about Heather Heyer's death in a factual light, where in fact, it's confirmed, time and time again, that she died of a heart attack, from her own mother, mind you, and that she was hit by the car. but you can ignore the fact that videos are being taken down constantly that show her (fat ass) being to the side of the vehicle and then dropped.

but perhaps ANTIFA shouldn't be riving through the streets all earing black and masked, leering at drivers-by with bats at hand ready to attack any car they don't "like". :shrug:

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman]
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qman said:
I don't think Ecstatic and Shivas have any issue justifying their position on this subject. :shrug:


Where have I ever "justified Antifa being violent against people they THINK deserve it"? Quotes please.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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You're saying that someone blocks away threw something at his car, so he was justified in driving his car into a crowd?  Do I have that right?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
ANTIFA are committing violence and is trying to silence free speech. :shrug: and these Nazis and KKK groups are already considered criminals when they commit crimes...just like any gang.


Antifa are not silencing free speech, they are not allowing Nazi narratives to be normalised as a legitimate political position. If you think its JUST free speech then sure as hell I know you aren't going to be on the receiving end of this violence, if you were then maybe you wouldnt apologise for them all the time.

if Nazis are instantly "considered criminals when they commit crimes" then why is it that the black dude beaten but white supremacists in that parking lot of a police station was the one who had charges brought against HIM and not the people beating the shit out of him?

why is it that Nazis can get caught with bomb making equipment and get away with it?

Why are you not losing your shit about the white dude who planted a bomb in an airport last month? You can be sure if he could be connected to antifa, islam or blm then it would have been bigger news.

Fact is, you have Nazis and KKK throughout law enforcement and the military. Its a subject that should cause more alarm. Instead you are frothing at the mouth about antifa :lol:

We at least have an investigation going on here about nazi supporters within the british army. And when Nazis come to the streets, they get smashed.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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shivas.wisdom said:
Honestly, all statists are nazis. On November 4th, Antifa LLC will punch all statists in the head simultaneously. Hail Nambla!





Checkmate.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
qman said:
I don't think Ecstatic and Shivas have any issue justifying their position on this subject. :shrug:


Where have I ever "justified Antifa being violent against people they THINK deserve it"? Quotes please.


So what should be done to a group of "Nazis" spewing the worst of their rhetoric?  Just sit back and listen?

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
You're saying that someone blocks away threw something at his car, so he was justified in driving his car into a crowd?  Do I have that right?


i didn't say he was exculpated from his actions, nor that it was righteous. :shrug: just that ANTIFA should not be exculpated from THEIR actions, nor should they be routing permitted rallies outside of their permitted routes, and municipalities shouldn't not be supporting such measures.

nor should they be attacking anyone themselves. :shrug:

and the girls death is contentious. and that someone threw something at the driver, and considering the roving bands of bat-wielding misfits, you can contend that he was scared and provoked, frightened, in otherwords.

:shrug: none of that is unreasonable.

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Antifa are not silencing free speech, they are not allowing Nazi narratives to be normalised as a legitimate political position.


they are helping to normalize it, because the meme is just going to be fed. you are not in the know. you're a normie. you won't listen.

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then why is it that the black dude beaten but white supremacists in that parking lot of a police station was the one who had charges brought against HIM and not the people beating the shit out of him?


it's called corruption.

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why is it that Nazis can get caught with bomb making equipment and get away with it?


why is it that Muslims that have a violent ideology that have constantly people found with bombs, and bomb making equipment, and whom consistently attack people randomly on streets with machetes, trucks, bombs, and whatever...why are they being FOISTED on the native lands here, by people like you? and why are people called evil for point this out?

i dunno, there is alot of crazy shit that doesn't make sense in this world.

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Fact is, you have Nazis and KKK throughout law enforcement and the military. Its a subject that should cause more alarm. Instead you are frothing at the mouth about antifa :lol:


both such things cause me alarm. but ANTIFA is getting the spotlight because they are stupid and causing more harm than good, because they are being used as puppets.

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We at least have an investigation going on here about nazi supporters within the british army. And when Nazis come to the streets, they get smashed.


great way to drive a movement of nazis.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
"people are pitted against people of colour"

Get a grip already, you're trying to start a race war.

"the scene is to the advantage of Nazis"

If will be because of the people like yourself, you keep pushing moderates to the far-right.


You are like Neo, dodging bullets
You keep saying that people like me push moderates to the far-right and you said that I make it worse for people of colour. Answer the question - how?!

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"its the genetic differences in the present that result in unequal outcomes"

The sooner you come to realize this fact you can stop blaming and attacking innocent people for the inequality. Do you share a similar outrage for the owners of the NBA and NFL teams?


This fact??! This has NEVER been established as a fact. This is just your racist world view, which ignore all historical context as to how people got to where they are.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 3
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you keep putting nazis in quotation marks like these people marching down the streets in nazi garb waving nazi flags and chanting "jews will not replace us!" are just holograms or something.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
you keep putting nazis in quotation marks like these people marching down the streets in nazi garb waving nazi flags and chanting "jews will not replace us!" are just holograms or something.


well, Rothchilds need to die. they are the scum of the earth.

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which ignore all historical context as to how people got to where they are.


no, that's you. you're doing that. read Guns Germs and Steel and Shush.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
"examples?"
I don't think Ecstatic and Shivas have any issue justifying their position on this subject. :shrug:


You made the claim, back it up!
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I think Antifa and Nazi groups both receive the same standards of judgment by the vast majority of the general public. They both behave in a very similar fashion, but Antifa is even more radical in my opinion.


Nazism isnt as radical as the people who don't want Nazism?
the SAME standards? One side are Nazis and other people are fighting Nazis, if they are judged on an equal basis then it ignores that relationship.

You do the same bullshit as Trump's "both sides" rhetoric.
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"these narratives can lead to mass deportation of muslims by a government"
Asking for tighter immigration laws is hardly "mass deportation of muslims".


Again you keep evading the point. No one said that tight immigration laws = deportation of muslims. Your royal strawiness doesn't seem to understand that laws change and with people like you who think that muslims are incompatible with the West, it creates a twisted rational to eject those people. Does it mean its happening now? No

I swear you must intentionally try to be as obtuse as possible.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman]
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The Ecstatic said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Honestly, all statists are nazis. On November 4th, Antifa LLC will punch all statists in the head simultaneously. Hail Nambla!


Checkmate.


Foiled again!


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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qman said:
shivas.wisdom said:
qman said:
I don't think Ecstatic and Shivas have any issue justifying their position on this subject. :shrug:


Where have I ever "justified Antifa being violent against people they THINK deserve it"? Quotes please.


So what should be done to a group of "Nazis" spewing the worst of their rhetoric?  Just sit back and listen?


Actual fascists are not equivalent to "people I think deserve it".


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
well, Rothchilds need to die. they are the scum of the earth.



So, a family that has literally donated millions to helping people needs to die, while you live rent-free at your parents and make videos about how you don't have time to help the homeless?


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