Auto-SummaryThe post discusses the relationship between dismantling power structures and creating new ones, arguing that the latter can legitimize existing power structures. "Cultural opportunities" refers to equal chances for individuals regardless of cultural background, encompassing race, gender, sexuality, disability, and class. Legitimizing new structures requires viewing existing power structures as legitimate, perpetuating inequality. The post highlights the Quebec government's ban on niqab and burka in government services, a contentious issue in Canada. It contrasts this with the US, where Sikhs and Indians are generally accepted despite their appearance. Historical context is provided about Acadians in Canada and French Americans in the US. The discussion concludes by emphasizing that equality efforts can inadvertently lead to discrimination against certain groups, such as black immigrants from English-speaking countries in Canada.
Tipote said:
Tantrika said:
the point of the statement was
that you cannot both dismantle structures of power
and create new structures of power
and still end up with equality
dismantling the power structures is one thing
but creating new ones in a hopes of 'balancing' out cultural opportunities
simply reinforces and legitimizes the structures that exist
by propping up everything around the 'central structural issue'
the central structure is reinforced as a 'necessary' social component
when it is not actually such
Thanks for your post.
I'm interested by this point and I still not sure I fully understand what youre saying.
Why does creating new structures reinforce and legitimise existing structures?
What do you mean by cultural opportunities?
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"Cultural opportunities" as a broad-stroke
to cover race, gender, sexuality, disability, class, language and so forth
basically that someone can have the same opportunities regardless of cultural background
Regarding the impact of the creation of new structures,
trying to prop up a new structure to 'match' an existing structure
requires the basis that the existing structure be legitimate in order to be used as a point of comparative measure
the idea that special structures have to be put in place to bring the less privileged to the level of the privileged
includes the idea that the privileged position is a legitimate and necessary one
to be maintained, and matched
if existing power structures are able to be dismantled
then equality will exist because everyone will be down at the same level
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Tantrika said:
it may not be the area you wish to fall back to
since Islamists can change their religion, but not their skin colour
or they can just keep their religion to themselves.
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This would be an ideal for religion in general
but is not really the day-to-day lived position of religious individuals
This is a particularly noteworthy subset
as Québec has recently passed legislation dictating that niqab and burka cannot be worn
while riding the bus or metro, or otherwise receiving government services
it is the result of a push for legislation banning religious symbols in government
and it has been a point of contention whether the Canadian government should oppose the provincial law
or let Québec do its unique thing compared to the rest of the country
Tipote said:
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Tantrika said:
but the 'problem' surrounding Islamic culture is the teachings of the religion
hence why it is referred to as 'Islamic terrorism' rather than 'Brown terrorism'
the problem is a dominant extremist interpretation of Islam that is propagated by our islamofascist ally, Saudi Arabia.
People still attack people that "look Muslim" and this is disproportionately going to be people of colour, whether they are actually muslim or not.
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This is another point of variation between Canada and the US
Indians and Sikhs are quite welcome despite 'looking similar' to Islamists
one of our current party leaders at the national level is Sikh
As is our minister of National Defence
Have known a number of Sikh families over the years
they are even more against Islam than the 'typical white family'
due to the historical tensions between the two religions
Similarly, Hindu immigrants from India have expressed a lot of disdain (was briefly part of a Hindu Shaiva temple)
which is presumably a result of tensions going on in India
Tipote said:
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Tantrika said:
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French people in North America are frequently expected to give up their cultural heritage
because 'the English won'
I assume youre talking mainly about Canada but my family in the US have gotten stick for being French too.. which is weird because I thought France was a great ally of the US against the British..
Interesting family history btw
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The specific British influence is more Canadian,
there are issues around Maine due to Acadia and the eventual relocation of Acadians to become the Cajuns
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Cajuns are the French colonists who settled the Canadian maritime provinces (Nova Scotia and New Brunswick) in the 1600s. The settlers named their region "Acadia," and were known as Acadians. In 1713, the British took over Canada and expected all settlers, including the Acadians, to defend the kingdom. The British demanded that the Acadians adopt the king's Protestant religion.
Over the next forty years, the Acadians' refusal to abdicate became a political and religious threat. The British government seized farms, burned villages, and expelled Acadian families. Families were separated as British soldiers loaded them onto ships with different destinations. Family members were shipped all over from New York to the West Indies. Some were sent down south to the Louisiana territories. Many Acadians found some acceptance in Louisiana, with its strong French background and Catholic heritage. Many family members were reunited there as they sought to locate one another.
It is here the Acadians eventually became known as "Cajuns." Cajuns developed their own distinct lifestyle in the swamps and surrounding areas of South Louisiana. Cajun contributions to New Orleans and Louisiana are immense, and have improved the quality of life we now enjoy.
Many people think we have a Brooklyn accent when we speak. It is my opinion that the Acadians who settled along the U.S. eastern seaboard are responsible for that "New York/Brooklyn" speech!
http://www.experienceneworleans.com/cajun.html
but the US parallel/equivalent would more likely be American English disdain for Spanish
as present but not the national language of the US
but French is recognized as a national language for Canada outside of Québec
you just would not know it unless you found your way to one of the small pocket communities where French clings on
Tipote said:
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it is a helpful mirror to the white vs. other skin colours framing
to recognize that historical rifts impact more than just imbalances based on race or gender
there are deep-seated cultural imbalances all over the place
well they surely go hand in hand most of the time?
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more difficult to say; do not have good data comparing the treatment of white French people
against English black people
do know from personal experiences that (black) African immigrants to Québec from French speaking countries
hold managerial positions, while (black) African immigrants from English speaking countries do manual labour
but never personally strived for anything in terms of position,
so no idea if a white transwoman would be selected over an English speaking African immigrant
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Tantrika said:
Personally suffer from a mental health disability,
but do not really take offense to terminology that impacts the mentally ill or intellectually handicapped
just find it interesting, because colloquial use of 'retarded' and 'tard'
or referring to Trump and his supporters as 'mentally ill'
seem to be common points of argument these days,
tho the mentally ill and intellectually handicapped have, and still do, face plenty of discrimination
and the cunts in the original Nazi regime forced such individuals
to undergo medical sterilization to keep them from 'polluting' the gene pool
prior to simply exterminating them along with everyone else
To be honest, I would never use that word in real life.. I think its more that I hear libtard so much on here that it enters my vocabulary.
Same with butthurt. This is the only place I ever use the word butthurt..thats probably from talking to akira and hostile universe.
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likely would not have even called attention to it
but have seen other forum members employ the rhetoric
and it just always interests me when it happens
someone pushing for equality in one regard
can fall victim to casual discrimination in another
but props to you for not trying to come up with some excuse about why 'the r-word' doesn't or shouldn't hold impact
Edited by Tantrika (11/01/17 08:08 PM)
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