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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
People are disadvantaged everyday because of their looks, sex, sexuality, age, culture, religion, genetics, social-economic status and geographical location, why the fixation on just race? 



Race is obviously a huge factor and its something that cannot be changed like the others you mention.
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People and environments will never be equal in nature because human nature doesn't allow for it.



You always beat around the bush and shy away from being direct.

So you believe there is a natural order that is like that because ..human nature?

So no point trying to address inequalities in the present?
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Because buying slaves, housing, feeding, clothing, providing health care and retirement for free labor wasn't a good economic return for the investor. Why don't we do it today?  Because it's cheaper to build a factory in some third world nation and pay them .30 cents per hour.




I accept that the economic viability wasn't a constant. You always distract from the point, which was that vast wealth was accumulated off the backs of slaves.
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I'm sure the idea behind the slave trade was about a higher standard of living which enhances the chances for survival and reproduction, why is this such a difficult concept to understand, humans wanted more resources and would do whatever it took to do it.



Its not a difficult concept that people can dehumanise others and exploit them. The point is that it is wrong. Clearly you have no moral qualms about it. Any disadvantage that blacks have in US society you probably put down to nature.

You haven't made the case that Europe needed to dominate most of the world and exploit people for their own survival.
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I'm trying to explain to you why it happened in the first place and why your judgments in the year 2017 come from a position of privilege as you place unrealistic judgment on people without understanding their environment.



Well you try to explain why it happened but dont seem to accept that those historical events have impact on the present day. Why should black people - regardless of whether they were actually descendants of slaves or not, be disadvantaged by systems that continue from the past and which are perpetuated in the present?

Your argument seems to be that things were fucked up in the past so why change anything in the present? are the past and present separated by a vaccuum?

The very fact that I have to have this back-and-forth with you shows you don't see what the problem is for people of colour. You yourself dismiss their concerns and silence them. You can do this because you are not affected. The ignorant apologist white centre covers the rise of the Nazis and KKK that you think don't exist in your country..


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: tHEfLY]
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tHEfLY said:
Something like 85% of interracial violence in the US is committed against white people, and that's not even accounting for differences in population size.



I doubt thats true, where did you pull that from?
Also what do you think this supposed statistic actually says?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Since race is an arbitrary social construct anyway, I see no problem including Hispanic among the white race.  If an orange person like Trump can be considered white, why shouldn't a tanned person?




not a great argument, but i'll agree with the first parts sentiment. we're all one species, so it is a pretty arbitrary denotation. though national identity and culture- that's a different story.

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So you believe there is a natural order that is like that because ..human nature?

So no point trying to address inequalities in the present?



i'm sure to Qman it's more about how nothing can be truly equal, and to try and achieve that people will have to be made unequal, and thus can never logically be accomplished- and that in the "natural order" of things, competition, ambition, and creativity, reign, and not "fairness" or "equality", because evolutionary psychology dictates that homogeneous systems work than more complex ones, unless for capital gain, which in that case, the opposite notion applies more readily to efficacy, but causes the communities therein to suffer for the sake of profit.

there needs be struck a balance, that is why socialism is a stop-gab to inequality, not a fix, or solution to it. there needs be malleability for the free world as we know it, and less centrality.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: tHEfLY] * 1
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tHEfLY said:
No they're not.

http://archive.is/ICcV7

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In fact, white violence against blacks is dwarfed by black on white violence. In 2012, blacks committed 560,600 acts of violence against whites (excluding homicide), and whites committed 99,403 acts of violence (excluding homicide) against blacks, according to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey provided to the author. Blacks, in other words, committed 85 percent of the non-homicide interracial crimes of violence between blacks and whites, even though they are less than 13 percent of the population. Both the absolute number of incidents and the rate of black-on-white violence are therefore magnitudes higher than white-on-black violence. There is no white race war going on.





clearly an unbiased source :facepalm:

this says that there is a race war against white people. Is this what you think?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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this says that there is a race war against white people. Is this what you think?




https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aec_1508296335

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira from last year would never have posted this fucking drivel.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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here, 7:21

"now i already broke down how Europeans don't have no soul, ect ect"

more to your liking?

Tipote said:
akira from last year would never have posted this fucking drivel.



the left went lunatic, and i started calling out the think-tank nonsense from the left, like i did the right- i'm informing my views, dude. you should try it sometime.

i have my reasons, such as like the video above, this guys has his reasons for trying to claim Europeans are soulless. he's wrong.

but i'm not wrong. white people are getting massive haterade from progressives, because of "muh oppression", the "privilege opression". when do i get out of MY oppression? when do the socialists stop regulating the shit out of everything, creating class-warfare, and corporatism that i don't want to partake in cause it's evil?

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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I doubt thats true, where did you pull that from?



https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0802.pdf

I think this is the original source. Table 42

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote] * 1
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ANTIFA Schedule For Nov. 4th Bloody Violence
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Antifa has announced that they are planning to kill every single Trump voter, Conservative and gun owner this November 4th.

The far-left terrorist organization have vowed to commit acts of ‘bloody violence’ by raiding peoples homes, seizing weapons and causing civil unrest on the streets of America.



Does anyone here believe this nonsense? :lol:

It feels like the Nazis are inflating a bullshit threat to justify their brutal "self defense" against antifascist demonstrations.

I've heard a lot about this antifa 4th nov bloody and violent plot but I only hear about it from the alt-right. Such bullshit.

How far would you apologise for Nazi violence?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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it's THIS

https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06/this-nightmare-must-end-the-trumppence-regime-must-go/

THIS website that it's progenitor, you're so GULLIBLE! does this motherfucking look alt-right to you, dude?! face it, you're WRONG.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: tHEfLY]
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Where is this 85% figure? and what is the relevance of it? Why does it make the case that there is a race war against whites? If that is what you think.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
it's THIS

https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06/this-nightmare-must-end-the-trumppence-regime-must-go/

THIS website that it's progenitor, you're so GULLIBLE! does this motherfucking look alt-right to you, dude?! face it, you're WRONG.



I was just looking at that site when I was posting actually. How am I so gullible? Where is the violent plot to raid peoples homes and seize weapons? It looks like a plan for a demonstration.. doesnt it?

I didnt say it was bullshit that there would be a demonstration, I said its bullshit there are plans for a bloody and violent raids of peoples homes blah blah blah.

What is wrong with you?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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4:35
discussion of tactics of violence and weaponry.


you didn't the left would organize to fight invisible nazies without otherkin firebreath, erm, i mean, guns?

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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Where is this 85% figure?



15.4 % of 2788600 = 429444.4 (black on white instances)

15.9 % of 570550 = 90717.45 (white on black instances)

520161.85 = total instances

429444.4 is 82.56 % of 520161.85

So 82.56% of violence between black and white people in 2008 was against white people.

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and what is the relevance of it?



I'm not sure anymore. It had something to do with that meme you posted.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: tHEfLY] * 3
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You don't see how silly that argument is?  We expect more white people to be victims because there are more white people. 

According to your numbers, there is a higher percentage of white on black crime than black on white crime.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil]
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(it's a) tired right-wing think-tank meme. gotta come correct.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma]
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What is this bullshit? man you disappoint me more and more. Does this back up the alt-right claim that there are plans for a bloody coup? raiding peoples houses etc etc..?

:doublefacepalm:


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote] * 2
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Been following you two blethering on, and thought I'd chip in with my two pennies worth.

The first slaves in the colonies as they then called were white.
There were convicts and indentured labourers, but others were children (urchins and orphans) kidnapped from the towns and villages of the UK, and they were literally worked to death on the plantations.

The plantation owners then discovered that blacks survived better in the heat of the South (and the West Indies), so they bought slaves that were in turn traded from Africans and Arabs.

Secondly, making sweeping generalisations about people based on skin colour is wrong, and that applies to you Tipote.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Will Scarlet] * 1
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Will Scarlet said:
Been following you two blethering on, and thought I'd chip in with my two pennies worth.
The first slaves in the colonies as they then called were white.
There were convicts and indentured labourers, but others were children (urchins and orphans) kidnapped from the towns and villages of the UK, and they were literally worked to death on the plantations.
The plantation owners then discovered that blacks survived better in the heat of the South (and the West Indies), so they bought slaves that were in turn traded from Africans and Arabs.



Yes as far as i'm aware thats true. I never heard your "blacks survived better" point though and frankly I'm skeptical.

Is there a relevant point you are making by bringing up white indentured servants to this discussion about people of colour?

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Secondly, making sweeping generalisations about people based on skin colour is wrong, and that applies to you Tipote.



Like what?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
You don't see how silly that argument is?  We expect more white people to be victims because there are more white people. 

According to your numbers, there is a higher percentage of white on black crime than black on white crime.



sheeeeeeit, I stand corrected

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