The Ecstatic said:

prejudice is a bad thing worth trying to fix, or mitigate at the very least. not sure why youre against that.

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Enlil said:

We should attempt to remove as much irrationality from society as possible.  It should be fought at every turn.  If we could just teach humans that skin color has no bearing on the content of a person's character, imagine how much more energy could be focused on finding solutions to real problems.

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SirTripAlot said:

That's sounds good Enlil, but eradicating irrational thought/action is impossible. Yes it is an ideal to strive for.....yet look at the current state of race relations after an eight year presidency of a black man ( actually half black).
It's 2017 and there are people who still wear sheets.
Curing racism would be like curing human stupidity.

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akira said: *some bullshit*

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Tipote said:

...Instead...why can't we dismantle these structures that unfairly advantage white people if we really want to live in a free society for everyone?

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Because too many people would rather insulate such structures
and provide them legitimacy
by creating additional structures set to unfairly advantage non-white people

to take this to a level different from race
white English speakers in North America hold more privilege than white French speakers in North America...

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Yes, ok akira.. *pats akira on head*

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akira_akuma said:

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Yes, ok akira.. *pats akira on head*

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remember when you used to agree with everything i said?

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you can read them better now? that's funny, most people are having trouble! because they can't claim "hey, he's that guy who i always give +1's to his posts" - you know, like you did. especially about Israel. remember?

you liked those posts. you agreed with me then! you might not have understood my convolved and convoluted posts but you sure as fuck agreed with them. anything that has to do with "leftist is right" deserves a +1 around here.

and by the way, what do you think happened to me? none of my views have changed, sweet fox.

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Black people quite often have prejudice against white people because they quite reasonable could assume that their white privilege blinds them to the lived experience of those black people.. thats a natural impediment to getting on if you can't understand eachother. Is that racism though? No

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akira_akuma said:

you can read them better now? that's funny, most people are having trouble! because they can't claim "hey, he's that guy who i always give +1's to his posts" - you know, like you did. especially about Israel. remember?
you liked those posts. you agreed with me then! you might not have understood my convolved and convoluted posts but you sure as fuck agreed with them. anything that has to do with "leftist is right" deserves a +1 around here.
and by the way, what do you think happened to me? none of my views have changed, sweet fox.

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akira_akuma said:

you "white privilege" people confuse "prejudice", "privilege" and "racism" up all the time. it's like you do not know these words all have different connotations.

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I'm not alone in thinking this.

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No I still struggle to understand your posts, I'm just saying its easier than it was.. which just suggests it was fucking near impossible most of the time.

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mass migrations usually do not have the intended effect of going neatly and cleanly. it's the concept, already explained by me before, that humans in such swathes will naturally impart a danger to the environment, let alone the statistical inevitability of stragglers and dangerous men.

i think Tipote is pissed that you simply suggest that it's Muslim men, solely, that is responsible for this "imparted danger", due to the fact that they are Muslim; instead of recognizing that it's not simply because they are Muslim, but it's because they are so such large proportions of humans moving in vast streams, which , naturally, in the upswell, will gather lots of the aforementioned stragglers and criminals and ect; that is in the upswell of non-dangerous, non-criminal, migrants whom are not in that category -- you wanna make an economic argument, you can join Qman. but you shouldn't blame the condition of humanity based on them being Muslim...it's stupid, because they are human that they have the problem of criminality in huge swathes of people being pushed like blood through arteries. it is stupid because Muslims do not create criminality...Islam might produce some vagaries within it's adherents and certainly some dangerous ones, especially within the already criminally minded...but that doesn't mean the whole of the criminal element's existence is solely at the responsibility of Islam. that's asinine to presume so, or to even conjure such an argument to support your claims. which you've done so often in the past. trying to pass off the whole of criminality onto the fact that they are "deranged" or "mangy" or "rugrats", instead of the fact that they are a large herd of animal.

if the US suddenly had to migrate, there'd be swathes, too, of criminals to deal with. because they are here. not because they are American, or mangy.

from a purely political point of view, they can be seen as a nuisance, but i can't see how you can attribute criminality, which exists in all areas of the planet, in all nations, to them simply being Muslim. their kind of BEHAVIOR is surely more Muslim...but their criminality is the same as anyone else's. money, sex, violence, passion/honor leading to murder, ect, all of the above attributable to more than Muslim society, but actually attributable to all of the world over.

i think that's Tipote's problem with your posts.

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well...i dunno. tell me, honestly, when you see the flood of Cosby memes, even from before the allegations, well...did you laugh?


i think this is important. did you laugh? was it funny?

because i don't think false allegations, nor their repercussions are funny...but...i do find retarded internet humor, and human nature, sometimes, to be funny; and it can always be a little bit "out of control". right?

right? or no?

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thanks man. well said.

also im kind of surprised in Starter sometimes because I thought he said he had a background in science. I assumed he would have a greater scrutiny in data.
72% male is outdated and represents a snapshot in time. Immigration analysts suggest themselves that while the first waves were predominantly men or young boys, later waves tend to have more females. This could be for multiple reasons.

Too many males no doubt causes problems, regardless of religion, though yes for sure there are some clashes that come with religious dogma.

And the countries in Starter's infographic are all countries where people would have a very legitimate reason to seek asylum.

Islam is not a monolithic group. Many Levantine Muslims have very little in common culturally with African Muslims.

Yes popular opinion is turning against refugees. I have never pretended that these policies were not hugely flawed. I think it was all too much too soon with too little organisation and ultimately that is going to cause a whole lot of problems. Sloppy operations increase the likelihood of poor processes of integration and no doubt pisses off local people. People in Europe had plenty of reasons to be legitimately pissed off about immigration well before this crisis.

A point that is often dismissed as white guilt by some is that our countries have fuelled this problem. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and of course Libya to name a few. I think i saw someone earlier made the very good point about how the fall of Libya was a catalyst for migrant journeys across the Med. It is in our interest to not contribute to these places becoming failed states.

this american life is a good podcast to listen to. they did some interesting pieces about life in the refugee camps in Greece if anyone is interested.
It helps to remember that these people are exactly that! - PEOPLE. Starter and others can pretend they are aliens but has Starter spoken to these "third world parasites"?

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thanks man. well said.

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Tipote said:

akira_akuma said:

you "white privilege" people confuse "prejudice", "privilege" and "racism" up all the time. it's like you do not know these words all have different connotations.

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Coming from someone who doesn't understand the concept, telling me I dont understand the difference between these words is pretty rich. Why don't you try to educate yourself on its meaning before accusing other people of confusing terms? Just an idea.

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you're lecturing me to look up the definitions.

you think what nationalists are white supremacists, don't you? you're another one of those loose-language conflaters.

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You seem way more nazi apologist.

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no. you obvious did not see my interaction with Bohdi. you didn't see how i blew the fuck out of his ethno-state.

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In America’s four-and-a-half-centuries-old relay race, the phrase “white privilege” does not mean that Caucasians can’t run fast; it is just a matter-of-fact acknowledgment that they got a head start.

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In America’s four-and-a-half-centuries-old relay race, the phrase “white privilege” does not mean that Caucasians can’t run fast; it is just a matter-of-fact acknowledgment that they got a head start.

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http://www.theroot.com/yes-you-can-measure-white-privilege-1794303451

So when Nazis/KKK are crying about discrimination against whites and you dismiss white privilege, you support these bullshit narratives because you ignore the existing structures in society throughout history and in the present.

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that's you, who's disregarding the present. racism exists, and there is no thought policing, or kumbya'ing it, or bloviating it away. it's best kept on containment boards, which idiot leftists are always trying to shut down like morons.

and the narratives of "white guilt" "white privilege" and "only white people can be racist" are the bullshit ones. the notion of common sense immigration reform is a GREAT idea, and so is a border wall. even Kyle the Secular Kulinski can admit that, but won't of course...it'd cause a shitstorm among the youth!

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Tipote said:

qman said:

So if this aspect of human nature is universal regardless of the culture, race, sex, age and geographical location, why the outrage?

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Dismantling these structures is just. You aren't outraged because you are insulated by white privilege.

History exploitation have created structural inequalities which have ramifications to the present day. It is unjust that just because a white family who kept slaves was not only compensated for their loss but the actual newly freed slaves were not given any compensation. I bet qman would dismiss outright the idea of reparations.. but there were reparations for slave owners..    Look at how dominantly slavery contributed to the economy of the US and tell me that the US 'the land of the free' was not built by slaves.

If whites had been stolen from their countries and enslaved for hundreds of years and then were set "free" then they were free in a society that is tailored to benefit people who don't look like them. How on earth would that not have ramifications to the present day? On their descendants? On the countries they were taken from?

Richard Spencer's family used to own cotton farms in the South, and therefore slaves. Maybe if his ancestors were slaves then he wouldn't be in the position he is today? If his race had faced the dehumanisation of slavery then maybe people would look at his shit circumstances in the present day and assume that whites are slow or lazy or commit crime or any of the inequalities that reinforce your existing prejudices.

Slavery was possible by the dehumanisation of people of colour. Does anyone think that the abolition of slavery suddenly granted black people all the humanity and opportunity that whites had enjoyed?

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"Dismantling these structures are just"

How is human nature a "structure" that can be "dismantled"?  It's universal along all people and cultures since the beginning of humankind, and now you're now going to change it.

"I bet qman would dismiss outright the idea of reparations"

Not at all, I want my money. "The forgotten history of Slavic slavery".  Just imagine where my people could be if they weren't enslaved.

http://www.meltingpotinternational.com/feature3.html ;

"tell me that the US was not built by slaves"

It wasn't, there was plenty of cheap labor available, slavery was completely uneconomical for a variety of reasons.

"If whites had been stolen from their countries and enslaved"

Well, this goes back to why it turned out the way it did. You do realize this game of life is based on survival and reproduction, correct?  The survival of the fittest doesn't follow the rules of justice and political correctness.

Those people did what they thought was in their best interests for survival, if one group or race had the advantage they used it. Why did the whites have this major advantage, pure chance?

Tipote said:

qman said:

"genocide as a political position"

I don't know if any group in the US has that political position.

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Dont know? Or willfully ignorant?

Richard Spencer wants an ethnostate and has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing". If you look at interviews with the Nazi and KKK organisations then they are very open that violence is likely. Are you so determined not to see whats in front of you?

qman said:

If they had that position against Polish Americans, let their ideas enter the court of public opinion and fail in public for all to see, there's nothing to be afraid of in this case.

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Nothing to be afraid of? What because you don't consider polish Americans as inferior so can't imagine it possible? Well what a privileged seat youre speaking from.

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And if the public changes its mind and decides that Polish people need to be killed, I hardly think trying to limit speech is going to make any difference, do you?

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Speech that promotes genocide surely makes a difference if you protect it. No one suggests that free speech is abolished, just that genocide is not a legitimate political position.

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You see, you're trying to prevent the unpreventable, humans are going to do what they think they need to do to survive or create justice regardless of your rules on speech.

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And for whites, at the top of the chain, to talk about 'just trying to survive' is laughable and ignorant. Whites in this country hold the reigns of power yet you are butthurt about people of colour having a better chance to say.. get into college. Insecure about losing white privilege much?

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qman said:

"Dismantling these structures are just"

How is human nature a "structure" that can be "dismantled"?  It's universal along all people and cultures since the beginning of humankind, and now you're now going to change it.

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"tell me that the US was not built by slaves"
It wasn't, there was plenty of cheap labor available, slavery was completely uneconomical for a variety of reasons.

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"If whites had been stolen from their countries and enslaved"
Well, this goes back to why it turned out the way it did. You do realize this game of life is based on survival and reproduction, correct?  The survival of the fittest doesn't follow the rules of justice and political correctness.

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Are you framing slavery as just a matter of survival and reproduction? You are seriously fucked up. Whites had to invade other countries for their survival?

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Those people did what they thought was in their best interests for survival, if one group or race had the advantage they used it. Why did the whites have this major advantage, pure chance?

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Are you framing slavery as just a matter of survival and reproduction? You are seriously fucked up. Whites had to invade other countries for their survival?

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qman said:

Because the idea to genocide Polish Americans is stupid and everyone can recognize that fact.  The same would apply to Irish, German or African Americans as well, the court of public opinion would come up with the same conclusion. That's why there's nothing to be afraid of at all.

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Do you really want to run around trying to find and censor the few nutcases that spew this crazy rhetoric?  Why give them the platform?

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qman said:

"genocide is not a legitimate political position"
Why do you even need to state this?  The court of public opinion is way ahead of your unfounded concerns.

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"As for whites, at the top of the chain"
It's generalizations like this that make your arguments completely silly. Yes, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are white, what does that have to do with the tens of millions of whites living in poverty and locked up in prison today?

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In America’s four-and-a-half-centuries-old relay race, the phrase “white privilege” does not mean that Caucasians can’t run fast; it is just a matter-of-fact acknowledgment that they got a head start.

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"Insecure about losing white privilege"

It's all in your head, most people aren't afraid of losing what they don't have today.

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akira said:

he is saying that slavery was considered "natural" by not just whites, then, but also blacks, seeing as Africans had their own slaves and sold the slaves to...other parties. not Jews, or anything.

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