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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman]
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I figured it out.  This all really started with dog-shit Barry. :smug:


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
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starfire_xes said:
I figured it out.  This all really started with dog-shit Barry.


The people in power wanted to start a cultural war and Obama was the perfect start, mission accomplished.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
"Daily systemic racism and sexism which perpetuates existing system of oppression"

Did you learn this at university?  You forgot ageism, social-economic oppression and homophobia.


Did I learn what at university? That systems of oppression exist in our society?

Yes, there are a bunch of -isms I didn't mention. All of which disproportionately affect people of colour, citizens of the US and visitors. Its called intersectionality, look it up.
qman said:
Yeah, sovereign nation enforcing their immigration laws, the horror.


What good does deporting people who have lived all their lives in the US, who have contributed all their lives and not broken the law?

I never said deportations should never happen but many of the cases that are happening are to people who never chose to be undocumented. Families smashed to pieces, lives ruined. It seems you haven't changed much qman in your reduction of these actions to just enforcing the law. The law changes and how it is implemented changes. Its not beside the point that people dehumanised are easier to deport without question.
qman said:
So people can't critize the fact that Islam doesn't embrace Western liberal values, that's a shame.



Weren't you just saying I was making wild generalisations? First of all, your statement is not true. But again the point was that you asked what actions are taken disproportionately against people of colour. you seem to like to prove my point that people of colour are targetted. The logical progression of what you are saying leads to deporting Muslims or banning Islam, right?
Surely that dehumanises muslims...who are largely people of colour.
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"demonization of...peaceful NFL players...ANTI-racists"

The NFL players are too stupid to even know what they're doing and Antifa are a bunch of violent nutcases, what's wrong with acknowledging that fact?



Why did you edit "Antifascists" to "ANTIracists"?

You prove my point that people of colour are dismissed. You say yourself that they are "too stupid to even know what they are doing". Maybe that they have lived experiences that give a different perspective to you, why do you act like their perspective is bullshit?

Antifa are not violent nutcases, the people they fight are violent nutcases who - again - disproportionately use violence against people of colour. Antifa defend these people when the police don't and if they have to use violence to defend these people, Whats wrong with that?
qman said:
"butthurt white people crying about how affirmative action discriminates against them"

So racism laws are OK if they're biased against "butthurt white people"?  Sounds like you're promoting the divide.


We haven't finished our discussion from many months ago about white privilege. If you think that affirmative action is racist then you have no understanding of systemic racism over many generations and how that impacts communities in society. I don't blame you for not knowing because by definition, white privilege is the blindness to things that aren't happening to you so you don't even have to be aware of their existence.

People that say that affirmative action is racist can't even acknowledge that there was an affirmative action for white people for much longer, it is structural racism. Do you think all white people got to where they are because of hard work? Do you think that if a black man throughout our history went for a job and was the best qualified that he would get the job? ... :lol:

Its amazing because you talk about socio-economic oppression of white people and can see how that can disadvantage people over time but you dismiss that people of colour have anything to complain about.
qman said:
"look at where the power lies"

You mean the people that put our politicians into power, what about them?


I mean look at the silence of our leaders about Nazi violence, bombings and shootings. Its because they are in the 'in group'. I see more vocal hatred towards the people fighting Nazis than to the actual Nazis. Does that not say anything to you?

So do you or do you not accept that all these actions disproportionately impact people of colour?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote] * 2
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Antifa are not violent nutcases, the people they fight are violent nutcases who - again - disproportionately use violence against people of


noooooo, they are violent, and you must have your blinders on and you compromise your integrity, by mere ideology, by feigning blindness to the obvious acts of violence against Trump supporters, those of whom, in the many, who have been attacked simply for wearing a hat- i suppose it's part of a bigger problem (that of progressives thinking they own the world), but ANTIFA started coming out in droves when Trump was elected, and that has been their primary target...those who support Trump.

they are attacked. they are called fascists and nazis BY THOSE ATTACKING- and all while these supporters did nothing wrong.

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We haven't finished our discussion from many months ago about white privilege. If you think that affirmative action is racist then you have no understanding of systemic racism over many generations and how that impacts communities in society. I don't blame you for not knowing because by definition, white privilege is the blindness to things that aren't happening to you so you don't even have to be aware of their existence


fakery.

not all white people actually have this privilege you claim we have. so please...stuff it.

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I see more vocal hatred towards the people fighting Nazis than to the actual Nazis. Does that not say anything to you?

So do you or do you not accept that all these actions disproportionately impact people of colour?


broad strokes there.

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It seems you haven't changed much


you should change. stop blaming white people, in toto, for the world's problems, we didn't create them, people create their OWN problems- we solved alot of ours with capitalism, among other things.

if you're gonna be honest, admit that jihadism is a dangerous and out of control force in western society, and should be criticized.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
im gonna make frog memes about complain about ad hominems on the internet


no, you are just gonna keep making these one-liners, thinking you are a colossus among men, and contribute to your local partisan funds- and accomplish nothing ever, but scrutinizing the winners, because you could never win with anarchy or socialism, because the problems were caused by people like yourself, unwilling to contribute to the growth of society, and instead, only to it's further decay, because you think people are just lovely little nubbins that- unless committing to the propaganda of the deed- should just sit idly by and let governments assume control, for the sake of the fact that you can't literally help all the poor in the nation because they decided to sit in the sidelines in a society.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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We keep showing you how people in more socialist countries do better, and you keep make believing that libertarianism, which has never worked well, is better.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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"That systems of oppression exist in our society"

Can you name any society that doesn't have systems of oppression according to your line of reasoning? 

You do realize non-whites in the US have a higher standard of living than 99% of non-whites around the world?  That doesn't sound very oppressive, either does the fact that non-whites still risk their own lives to get into "oppressive" Western nations.

"deportation...your reduction of these actions to just enforcing the law"

We should change the laws if we want to stop deporting people, but that's not what US citizens want, we want our immigration laws to be enforced.

"The logical progression of what you are saying leads to deporting Muslims"

No, it leads to enforcing our immigration laws.

"Antifa are not violent nutcases...the people they fight are violent nutcases"

Antifa physically attacks people they disagree with on political issues, that includes people that want to listen to Ben Shapiro, that's why they're violent nutcases.

"Affirmative Action"

Is a state mandated racist policy, that's counterproductive to what you're attempting to achieve, which I assume is racial equality under the law.

"I see more vocal hatred towards people fighting Nazis than to the actual Nazis. Does that not say anything to you?"

What does it say to you?  To me it says that the public can see that Antifa isn't like anything you describe and that these so called "Nazis" really don't exist in the US.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
these so called "Nazis" really don't exist in the US.


Closed borders! White nation! Now we start the deportation!


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
qman said:
these so called "Nazis" really don't exist in the US.


Closed borders! White nation! Now we start the deportation!


Wow, 70 white national extremists, big deal.

The Nazis existed 80 years ago in another country.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 1
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You literally see a "National Socialist Movement" banner. Quit being obtuse and just admit where your sympathy lies.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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are you being intentionally dense?

i've said it all before and i'll say it again, open your ears

1: Nazi's co-opt ideas, twist them, and claim them as their own.
2: you live in a free country, where there are advocates for free speech
whom are fighting against ANTIFA who want to stifle free speech- see the many videos, like the one where communist ANTIFA claim they want the 1st amendment abolished.
3: the right is solidifying against the left, like the left is TRYING to do to the right. in solidarity, these shows of strength, there happens to be a few people who are "far-right" aka, fascists and nazis (self-proclaimed)- but they are aren't a part of any party affiliation, and thus, are independent actors, whom for all intents and purposes have nothing to do with one another, necessarily, nor anything to do with any one else that isn't sympathetic to their ideology.

you can be sympathetic to a cause, like free speech in America, and at the same time renounce any sympathies for ideologies such as that of National Socialism.

either you get it, or you just play blind. either way, soon, you're all gonna push people of the edge, they are sick of trying to talk to the wall that's trying to attack them with bats.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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Ok, but how is that relevant to qman saying "but where are the nazis??" when given a video of literal national socialists marching and chanting?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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Do you have actually believe that fake news?

I wonder why we only see one short clip of the banner; perhaps because "People involved with these protests are very cognizant about plants, so they realized very quickly what was happening,” Offenhartz said. “It was up for about 10 seconds before a couple protesters ran over, explained what was happening, and threw it to the ground and ripped it up.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alt-right-frames-protesters-as-pedophiles-with-fake-nambla-sign


Remember this?



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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Ok, but how is that relevant to qman saying "but where are the nazis??" when given a video of literal national socialists marching and chanting?


You do realize the Nazis in Germany went beyond "marching and chanting"?  They would laugh at these wannabes.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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akira_akuma said:
noooooo, they are violent, and you must have your blinders on and you compromise your integrity, by mere ideology, by feigning blindness to the obvious acts of violence against Trump supporters, those of whom, in the many, who have been attacked simply for wearing a hat-


I wasn't saying they didnt use violence, I said they weren't nutcases. Its a tactic not a fucking organisation.
akira_akuma said:
not all white people actually have this privilege you claim we have. so please...stuff it.


This just tell me you don't understand the concept. Honestly dude, what the fuck happened to you? I know I haven't posted for a while but you seem so much more closed. At least I can read your posts a bit better.

Please - When do white people not have white privilege?
akira_akuma said:
you should change. stop blaming white people, in toto, for the world's problems, we didn't create them, people create their OWN problems- we solved alot of ours with capitalism, among other things.


Again, what happened to you? Blaming white people for the world's problems? wtf you sound like hostile and qman.

we solved our problems with capitalism?? Capitalism inherently is zero sum so it has a global impact.. we gain because somewhere else loses.
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if you're gonna be honest, admit that jihadism is a dangerous and out of control force in western society, and should be criticized.


how is that a thing to admit? its a fucking truism...


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qman said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Ok, but how is that relevant to qman saying "but where are the nazis??" when given a video of literal national socialists marching and chanting?


You do realize the Nazis in Germany went beyond "marching and chanting"?  They would laugh at these wannabes.


If you look at the history, they started small. The groups around Mussolini, Franco and Hitler were small. They wore a uniform like these tards. The brown shirts, black shirts. whats next.?.. the polo shirts? - the vanguard of the future fascist regime?

The antifascists were killed off by them as they slowly got more power. They even killed their own 'unreliable conservatives' in the night of the long knives to consolidate power.

Ecstatic put it well when he said: do you think Hitler had the holocaust in his election manifesto? :facepalm:


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote] * 2
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The communists started off small too. Why is it only the right that is always expected to disavow? When will the left disavow all these college kids marching around with their fists in the air spouting marxist rhetoric?

and there's nothing wrong with "white privilege" in western societies. It's simply a consequence of the fact that white people built these societies. Why should we throw away our inheritance to people who did nothing to contribute to it and would probably burn it all down if given the chance.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
Can you name any society that doesn't have systems of oppression according to your line of reasoning? 


No, these are systems at every scale.
qman said:
You do realize non-whites in the US have a higher standard of living than 99% of non-whites around the world?  That doesn't sound very oppressive, either does the fact that non-whites still risk their own lives to get into "oppressive" Western nations.


Surely, you should be comparing the standard of living of people of colour with the standard for whites...in one country? You can't say.. well its good living...for a black person

Are you justifying a two tier society on racial lines?
qman said:
we want our immigration laws to be enforced.


Yes but people who were told they were protected are now deported. Laws can be unjust and abusive.
qman said:
"The logical progression of what you are saying leads to deporting Muslims"
No, it leads to enforcing our immigration laws.


Then what would you do with all the 'third world leeches' we currently have? If you say they are incompatible with your society then whats next?
qman said:
Antifa physically attacks people they disagree with on political issues


Antifa is not an organisation, its a range of tactics including violence to fight Nazis in defense of the people they want to commit genocide against. What the fuck is wrong with fighting Nazis? Genocide is not a political position.
qman said:
Is a state mandated racist policy, that's counterproductive to what you're attempting to achieve, which I assume is racial equality under the law.


Why is it counterproductive to address the imbalance?
qman said:
these so called "Nazis" really don't exist in the US.


:lmafo:
What planet are you living on?

Also notice that you continually make my point that people of colour and their concerns are silenced...
'we're just enforcing laws'
'its racist to redress centuries of racial inequality'
'WHAT NAZIS?'
'NFL are stupid'


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: tHEfLY] * 2
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tHEfLY said:
and there's nothing wrong with "white privilege" in western societies. It's simply a consequence of the fact that white people built these societies. Why should we throw away our inheritance to people who did nothing to contribute to it and would probably burn it all down if given the chance.


I think the fact that black people were kept as property for hundreds of years had something to do with the building of the US. It was off the backs of millions of exploited people of colour..Is that the inheritance you want? Our histories are inherently tied to colonial exploitation. Why can't we move past exploitation of people or is it just a family tradition now? You accept that exploitation of others by white people is our inheritance and that there is nothing wrong with it today? Why continue to profit from inequalities set in place long ago and perpetuate them? You probably would cariacture my position to be something along the lines of white guilt, and that you have to give your house to a black person and apologise for slavery. Instead...why can't we dismantle these structures that unfairly advantage white people if we really want to live in a free society for everyone?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
tHEfLY said:
and there's nothing wrong with "white privilege" in western societies. It's simply a consequence of the fact that white people built these societies. Why should we throw away our inheritance to people who did nothing to contribute to it and would probably burn it all down if given the chance.


I think the fact that black people were kept as property for hundreds of years had something to do with the building of the US. It was off the backs of millions of exploited people of colour..Is that the inheritance you want? Our histories are inherently tied to colonial exploitation. Why can't we move past exploitation of people or is it just a family tradition now? You accept that exploitation of others by white people is our inheritance and that there is nothing wrong with it today? Why continue to profit from inequalities set in place long ago and perpetuate them? You probably would cariacture my position to be something along the lines of white guilt, and that you have to give your house to a black person and apologise for slavery. Instead...why can't we dismantle these structures that unfairly advantage white people if we really want to live in a free society for everyone?




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