Repertoire89 said:

Lol, you sound like a Maoist

"WITH US OR AGAINST US"

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Either you are with us or you're with the enemies of freedom.

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Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists.

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Asante said:

I said it before and I'll say it again...

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shivas.wisdom said:

It does seem a little hypocritical.

If I understand things, they don't oppose antifa because of their opposition to fascists; instead, they oppose antifa because indiscriminate application of "no platforming" oftens leads to innocent, non-fashy, people being targeted with violence. In response to this, violence towards antifa is not just acceptable, but celebrated.

To that I have to wonder, do they believe that every individual they identify as antifa is personally guilty of this indiscriminate violence? Or perhaps it is guilt through association, where standing with or dressing alike is sufficient to warrant physical removal?

If it is indiscriminate violence that they oppose, and not the fact that antifa is opposed to fascism,  what extra knowledge do they have to know that every blackclad individual being attacked in these celebrated youtube videos was guilty of indiscriminate violence, rather than the victim?

What is the different between antifa indiscriminately grouping all opposition as violent fascists versus anti-antifa indiscriminately grouping all opposition as violent antifascists, if not the groups they indiscriminately target?

Take this thread for example, despite my repeated attempts to admit that I do not support every antifa action outright and that I don't consider anyone I disagree with a nazi, I am continually looped into this group of supporting "throwing homemade bombs at average Trump supporters" and calling everyone I disagree with a "nazi"; and thus, I can only assume, deserving of the same celebrated violence. Exactly the type of indiscriminate actions that these very users claim to oppose. I don't believe I've once called a user on this site nazi or fascist (though I did once insinuate that a member may be friends with a few).

So what am I missing here?

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Eminence said:

Asante said:

I said it before and I'll say it again...

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Not judging by the worst, I'm judging by them all. Every sane person is against fascism, but "Antifa" is its own thing, and they don't know what the hell they're doing, as shown by multiple videos in this thread.

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Asante said:

You guys keep -not getting- that what you see in those videos are excesses by a fringe of Antifa. Antifa is not about harrassing good citizens.

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shivas.wisdom said:

Admittedly, the beginning of Trumps presidency was a clusterfuck of aggression from both camps, and I can't say I necessarily support every action claimed by 'antifa', but I also don't know enough to be willing to denounce them either.

But let me assure you that, at least in the anarchist circles I run in, a distinction is held between your average Republican, and the crypto-fascist (sometimes out and out fascist) members of the alt-right. Part of antifascist action is intelligence gathering, and familiar faces are popping up at every "free speech protest". This is actually an intentional tactic used by legitimate fascists (and other political movements), entryism.

Show me the antifa counter demonstration, seemingly against your average Trump supporters, and I will show you the fascist elements within. Guilty by association, I suppose. If you are comfortable marching with fascists, don't be surprised if you are mistaken for one.

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shivas.wisdom said:

It does seem a little hypocritical.

If I understand things, they don't oppose antifa because of their opposition to fascists; instead, they oppose antifa because indiscriminate application of "no platforming" oftens leads to innocent, non-fashy, people being targeted with violence. In response to this, violence towards antifa is not just acceptable, but celebrated.

To that I have to wonder, do they believe that every individual they identify as antifa is personally guilty of this indiscriminate violence? Or perhaps it is guilt through association, where standing with or dressing alike is sufficient to warrant physical removal?

If it is indiscriminate violence that they oppose, and not the fact that antifa is opposed to fascism,  what extra knowledge do they have to know that every blackclad individual being attacked in these celebrated youtube videos was guilty of indiscriminate violence, rather than the victim?

What is the different between antifa indiscriminately grouping all opposition as violent fascists versus anti-antifa indiscriminately grouping all opposition as violent antifascists, if not the groups they indiscriminately target?

Take this thread for example, despite my repeated attempts to admit that I do not support every antifa action outright and that I don't consider anyone I disagree with a nazi, I am continually looped into this group of supporting "throwing homemade bombs at average Trump supporters" and calling everyone I disagree with a "nazi"; and thus, I can only assume, deserving of the same celebrated violence. Exactly the type of indiscriminate actions that these very users claim to oppose. I don't believe I've once called a user on this site nazi or fascist (though I did once insinuate that a member may be friends with a few).

So what am I missing here?

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Cyrus19 said:

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Eminence said:

Asante said:

I said it before and I'll say it again...

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Not judging by the worst, I'm judging by them all. Every sane person is against fascism, but "Antifa" is its own thing, and they don't know what the hell they're doing, as shown by multiple videos in this thread.

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"Every sane person is against fascism"

Apparently not, otherwise why would we need this "special" group of intellectuals called ANTIFA?  They're the only people insightful enough to recognize this huge fascism threat today that the other 99.99% of the population just ignores it, I mean everyone can see the harm that Ben Shapiro causes to the world. 

"they don't know what the hell they're doing"

Just because they support Militant Islam that pisses on women, homosexuals and non-believers while protesting liberal Muslims who want to embrace Western values doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. 

Asante said:

You guys keep -not getting- that what you see in those videos are excesses by a fringe of Antifa. Antifa is not about harrassing good citizens.

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The Ecstatic said:

Asante dont just leave this flaming bag of shit on our doorstep.

Youre the one who let it burn for 5 pages, just throw it in the dumpster.

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lowbrow said:

shivas.wisdom said:

Show me the antifa counter demonstration, seemingly against your average Trump supporters, and I will show you the fascist elements within. Guilty by association, I suppose. If you are comfortable marching with fascists, don't be surprised if you are mistaken for one.

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Right here.  He basically called all Trump supporters guilty by association fascists and implied it's okay to shut them up by force, and at the end of it implies support antifa or you're a fascist.

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