kneesocks said:

I guess the Christian tone is changing a little bit.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/26/world/pope-apologize-gays/

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Conservative Senator Lynn Beyak mounted a defence of the residential school system for Aboriginal children in the Red Chamber Tuesday, lamenting that the "good deeds" accomplished by "well-intentioned" religious teachers have been overshadowed by negative reports documented by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

"I speak partly for the record, but mostly in memory of the kindly and well-intentioned men and women and their descendants — perhaps some of us here in this chamber — whose remarkable works, good deeds and historical tales in the residential schools go unacknowledged for the most part," she said.

The commission, which conducted an exhaustive six-year study of the system, found physical, mental and sexual abuse was rampant, and some 6,000 children died while in care because of malnourishment or disease.

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"Mistakes were made at residential schools — in many instances, horrible mistakes that overshadowed some good things that also happened at those schools," she said, rising to speak on Senator Kim Pate's inquiry on the over-representation of Indigenous women in Canadian prisons, a topic Beyak largely ignored in her lengthy speech.

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"The fathers and sons and family members of the nuns and priests, to this day, have to bear the reputation as well, and nobody meant to hurt anybody," she said. "The little smiles in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission are real, the clothes are clean and the meals are good. There were many people who came from residential schools with good training and good language skills, and, of course, there were the atrocities as well.

"I was disappointed in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's report in that it didn't focus on the good. The people I talk to are Christians."

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kneesocks said:

I guess the Christian tone is changing a little bit.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/26/world/pope-apologize-gays/

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Yeah thats awesome.  I still dont think people should be forced to participate in same sex marriage if they beleive that doing so would be going against their god (and you shouldnt judge people who do beleive that. Even Hillary was against gay marriage as late as 2013. Infact im pretty sure trump is the first president who was for gay marriage from the beggining. I may be wrong but even Obama was agaisnt gay marriage at one point.Even us libral cuckadians have only had gay marriage since 2005.) but i agree with the pope saying that gay people should not be discriminated against. I am glad he said that.

T-Funkadelic said:

I adentify as a 6 year old female.

No need to debate, I am who I am.

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Haha! I go through a phase sometimes where I act and even talk like a little kid.

Age is biological, youth is a social construct.

CookieCrumbs said:

Good intentions and genuine smiles from child abusers wut.


Granted I have little idea of what you're talking about. 6,000 may not be as bad a number as it seems. ...

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As part of the push to civilize and bring the Native populations of Canada  in line with Western values
we employed a government funded Christian Residential School system
running from something like 1880 up to 1996
6000 out of 150 000 feels relatively significant for its pool,
but not into the statistical millions where death stops being a tragedy


A lot of her comments about the issue have been kind of rambling,
she eventually got removed from the committee
but pretty sure the 'good intentions' were the abusers
and the 'genuine smiles' and Christians she refers to talking to
are with regards to some of the individuals who went through the schools
and came out speaking English and religiously Christian
because what is a few thousand deaths and rampant abuse
if we managed to convert some of the heathens
amiright? 

Cosmic_Flame said:

Yep in the US obviously similar practices were done with the natives, same with the Spanish once they arrived in the "New World".
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Yeah, some barbaric acts were brought forth against the peoples that lived in any respective area that saw conquest
it is not to glorify the pre-existing cultures in comparison
Aztec culture, for example, considered some quite gruesome things to be high regard.
However, to me at least,
one of the most redeeming and forward-thinking features that makes modern Western culture what it is
is the freedom and capacity to acknowledge, discuss, and address such issues

there are a number of other places in the world where such reflective criticism of cultural growth
is not afforded to citizens, who instead have to abide by archaic values without question

The ability to recognize and openly speak out against issues where my country was less than adequate,
or even outright harmful,
is something that means my country can grow from past mistakes
and is something I cherish.
if my country did not allow such criticism of the founding and building of the nation
and the government refused to grow from such issues
it would be little better than living under apostasy laws
unable to even renounce religion or ingrained political beliefs without risk to my life

Enlil said:

ISIS is a small percentage of Muslims.  Syria had major problems long before ISIS, and Iraq is in shambles because of those good old fashioned western values that our soldiers brought into their homes shortly after kicking down the doors.

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Sophistic Radiance said:

This thread is just so bad. I've seen all of these arguments like a million times here. This could literally be called, "pub issues thread #1,000,000" and the full scope of its content would be adequately conveyed. Why do the mods put up with this drek?

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Sophistic Radiance said:

This thread is just so bad. I've seen all of these arguments like a million times here. This could literally be called, "shroomery issues thread #1,000,000" and the full scope of its content would be adequately conveyed. Why do the mods put up with this drek?

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Sophistic Radiance said:

I answered it multiple times and you ignored it because it was addressed to CC instead of yourself.

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Sophistic Radiance said:

Enlil said:

Race is a social construct.  Skin color is a biological trait.

Gender is a social construct.  Sex is a biological trait.

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Here's where people get confused.

Gender identity is biological. Racial identity is entirely socialized.

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