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Zhuangzi
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuangzi_(book)


I am considering making a serious study of this text; I love it very much so far. . .


'There is no asking about the Dao, and there is no response to that asking.'
(http://www.goldenelixir.com/taoism/texts_zhuangzi.html)


I am trying to find the source I read from before. . .  ok.  after much searching, I believe I have found it..

http://ctext.org/zhuangzi/enjoyment-in-untroubled-ease

'In the Northern Ocean there is a fish, the name of which is Kun - I do not know how many li in size. It changes into a bird with the name of Peng, the back of which is (also) - I do not know how many li in extent. When this bird rouses itself and flies, its wings are like clouds all round the sky. When the sea is moved (so as to bear it along), it prepares to remove to the Southern Ocean. The Southern Ocean is the Pool of Heaven.'


The initial words, from the Zhuangzi ^^ ..  I loved it, and was interested from then on..


There are a great number of sites with the text, and so forth. 


Today I read about a third of Wikipedia's article on it, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuangzi_(book)


And discovered more about it that I love. . . Especially:

'Unlike other ancient Chinese works, whose allegories were usually based on historical legends and proverbs, most Zhuangzi stories seem to have been invented by Zhuangzi himself. Some are completely whimsical, such as the strange description of evolution from "misty spray" through a series of substances and insects to horses and humans (chapter 18), while a few other passages seem to be "sheer playful nonsense" which read like Lewis Carroll's "Jabberwocky".[17] The Zhuangzi is full of quirky and fantastic characters, such as "Mad Stammerer", "Fancypants Scholar", "Sir Plow", and a man who believes his left arm will turn into a rooster, his right arm will turn into a crossbow, and his buttocks will become cartwheels.'


Fascinating characters and such, lovely..!!  Totally fascinated by those. . . beautiful....

"Mad Stammerer", "Fancypants Scholar", "Sir Plow"  :sun:


and of course, Zhuangzi, a.k.a. Zhuang Zhou wrote the famous one: 

'Once upon a time, I dreamt I was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, to all intents and purposes a butterfly. I was conscious only of my happiness as a butterfly, unaware that I was myself. Soon I awaked, and there I was, veritably myself again. Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming I am a man.'


love that. . . and of course, various gems:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/149093.Zhuangzi?page=1


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Re: Zhuangzi [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
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It is one of the good ones!

If you read Lao Tzu's tao te ching next to it Zhuangzi, you can see the difference of styles.

Lao Tzu speaks of principles, and abstractions. They are not classificatory though. Not so formal! Zhuangzi speaks in a different idiom, but perhaps also of the essential laughter brought to the same principles.

When something fills a "form", it is always in relation. At closer look, even the most discrete and substantial thing, is a relation, like of the vessel in relation to what space fills it.

The way or nature of things, is not a field, where all beings are found...but the wandering path, through all such fields. (These words I am paraphrasing are Bradford Hatcher's words, by the way, whose translations of chinese texts are my favorites. Check out his i ching and tao te ching translations)

There is a great one in Zhuangzi about a knotty old tree, and about the use of carved vessels, my favorite story, (along with the butterfly - transformation of realities.

Glad to see you are enjoying this great book. This thread needs a couple bumps, so I thought I'd leave a few words! :mushroom2:

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Re: Zhuangzi [Re: Kurt]
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That link of yours got me reading the Chuang-Tazu again. I hadn't read it for 15 years, but it's amazing now because I realise how many of those stories stuck with me my whole life.


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