Bigbadwooof said:

This isn't really a matter of opinion. It's a matter of observable reality.

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The Ecstatic said:

I think he's trying to say that everybody skews that reality based on life experience, and that skew doesnt necessarily make anything they say about politics disingenuous.

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akira_akuma said:

yeah. that. and plus, you (and him) gotta take into his account his literal actual real true to life circumstances and determination within those circumstances, and not rely on a predication of his "status" due to whatever several non-committal factors. no one is perfect. why do you think he wishes he could run the world? because nothing is perfect.

Bigbadwooof said:

This isn't really a matter of opinion. It's a matter of observable reality.

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it's a dependant view.

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akira_akuma said:

people should remember the noble lie; if at least for this reason: some actions in the past may appear more disingenuous then they really are. this is how conspiracy theories thrive.

PS: also, i don't know if Zappa has fallen prey to this, but i know that when i debate, mull over, mollify, forget, reduce, and realize i'm debating again, it tends to get...marred a bit..i tend to get looser in my explanations, thus requiring more explanations -- that is -- when it comes to something i may talk about over and over and over and over and over....you'd kinda figure...you just get sick of it for awhile and things become lax and more figurative (less literal), and requires more then a slight tap to get it going.













penis.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

Bubbles85 said:

Fiscal conservatism IMO makes perfect sense.

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People like Tip hate financial evidence when  it opposes issues he's passionate about, at the end of the day all he has to hold to is, "it's the right thing to do".

Obviously, "it's the right thing to do" doesn't work in the real world, it's a classroom mentality for young students.

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sorry, what financial evidence do I hate, qman?

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night_shift said:

qman said:

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Honey, I got news for you: you have been brainwashed. For starters, you need to drop this concept about "the west". "Third world" as well, by the way. Yes, things are a lot more complex than what I'm saying. Yes, you can point at details and say "but whatever" and pretend this is all that matters and argue about it until you're blue in the face - if you can find somebody to partner with in this useless activity.

Sure the details matter and sure they need to be addressed, but it's fucking useless to argue about details without having established a common basis. Which is why this thread is spinning in circles, by the way: there is no common basis, and there can't be as long as details are all that's being discussed. You think I have to fall for this? Ha.

If you think that a state of life that leads to people regretfully deciding to not have a third kid because they can't afford it is worth defending, you need professional help. The world as a whole, including your beloved west, has much deeper problems than some foreigners coming.

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

oh I see.


The EU is the analog for the evil overreaching US federal government, undermining state's (nation's) rights.


So i guess that makes the migrants the slaves?

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  "makes the migrants the slaves?"

I don't see how you came up with that analogy. Leaving a shithole homeland and invading a first world nations that gives you free housing, food, education, and health care makes them social leeches of the worst kind, not slaves.

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The point is people will justify their hatred/fear/whatever you wanna call it by using perfectly legitimate concerns as a smokescreen.


Or maybe you think its a coincidence that all the racists are part of the "fiscal conservatism" crowd.


Cmon. Whether you're a fiscal conservative for purely fiscal reasons, you should be able to admit that.

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akira_akuma said:

you're mistaken 'third worlders' coming to the 'first world' as being the same as a "system that dooms 'a third world person' to poverty [that] also dooms 'a western person' to poverty", and confusing that with 'the third world has got problems and it's spilling out because of chaos the US incurred on/after Iraq' (and after wimping out on ISIS, almost as if it was intentional).

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akira_akuma said:

it's clear why. Iraw and Syria are the gateway of ISIL, plain and simple, Syria was a happy accident, and it's leading the way across Europe.

the geography is pretty simple to see.

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The Ecstatic said:

He doesnt post much here anymore. Probably as sick of the shitty candidates and shitty posters here as we are.

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viktor said:

The Ecstatic said:

He doesnt post much here anymore. Probably as sick of the shitty candidates and shitty posters here as we are.

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Actually he's just come off a month long ban for abusive posting.

I can't believe zappa lives in New York. I would have thought he was a Texan the way he goes on about taxes.

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qman said:

That's completely irrelevant, the average US citizen does NOT want illegals flooding into their communities, they don't use fiscal conservatism as a "smokescreen" for their rational, this is their genuine sentiment.

Even Trump never has brought up the fiscal aspect of illegal immigration other than the elite flooding the labor markets with cheap labor.

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akira_akuma said:

ISIS is working with North Africa Islamic groups, jackfart; so YEAH IT'S CONNECTED.

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Everything in the universe is "connected", we are talking about direct connections and people in Northern Africa are NOT directly connected to Iraq, nice try.

airclay said:

qman said:

That's completely irrelevant, the average US citizen does NOT want illegals flooding into their communities, they don't use fiscal conservatism as a "smokescreen" for their rational, this is their genuine sentiment.

Even Trump never has brought up the fiscal aspect of illegal immigration other than the elite flooding the labor markets with cheap labor.

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gotdamn tho that's the issue. what you're explaining is a mis-education or maybe even ignorance into a belief that what they're pushing for is actually connected. 'cause when you look up the tired old welfare numbers it shows white folks receiving the most benefits and illegal immigrants do pay in; tells a diff story.

( http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Study-Finds-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-118B-Taxes )

what you could do is when you've de-stabilized a region for almost 70yrs now is allow it's citizens refugee status as they're squeezed between criminal armies, corrupt officials or dying in factories at the hands of american trade agreements and political action.

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