qman said:

akira_akuma said:

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He thinks there's just an isolated group of German people that have a problem with their nations being flooded with third world migrants, nothing could be further from the truth.

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and it couldn't be further from anything to do with me, or what i think.

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Yet, you're constantly insinuating that Germany's change in policy is rooted in Nazism, again nothing could be further from the truth. It's a moderate movement standing up to an authoritarian EU government forced down their throats.

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The Ecstatic said:

oh I see.


The EU is the analog for the evil overreaching US federal government, undermining state's (nation's) rights.


So i guess that makes the migrants the slaves?

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  "makes the migrants the slaves?"

I don't see how you came up with that analogy. Leaving a shithole homeland and invading a first world nations that gives you free housing, food, education, and health care makes them social leeches of the worst kind, not slaves.

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

oh I see.


The EU is the analog for the evil overreaching US federal government, undermining state's (nation's) rights.


So i guess that makes the migrants the slaves?

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  "makes the migrants the slaves?"

I don't see how you came up with that analogy. Leaving a shithole homeland and invading a first world nations that gives you free housing, food, education, and health care makes them social leeches of the worst kind, not slaves.

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Or maybe you think its a coincidence that all the racists are part of the "fiscal conservatism" crowd.

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

oh I see.


The EU is the analog for the evil overreaching US federal government, undermining state's (nation's) rights.


So i guess that makes the migrants the slaves?

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  "makes the migrants the slaves?"

I don't see how you came up with that analogy. Leaving a shithole homeland and invading a first world nations that gives you free housing, food, education, and health care makes them social leeches of the worst kind, not slaves.

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The point is people will justify their hatred/fear/whatever you wanna call it by using perfectly legitimate concerns as a smokescreen.


Or maybe you think its a coincidence that all the racists are part of the "fiscal conservatism" crowd.


Cmon. Whether you're a fiscal conservative for purely fiscal reasons, you should be able to admit that.

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Bubbles85 said:

Fiscal conservatism IMO makes perfect sense.

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qman said:

Bubbles85 said:

Fiscal conservatism IMO makes perfect sense.

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People like Tip hate financial evidence when  it opposes issues he's passionate about, at the end of the day all he has to hold to is, "it's the right thing to do".

Obviously, "it's the right thing to do" doesn't work in the real world, it's a classroom mentality for young students.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

oh I see.


The EU is the analog for the evil overreaching US federal government, undermining state's (nation's) rights.


So i guess that makes the migrants the slaves?

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  "makes the migrants the slaves?"

I don't see how you came up with that analogy. Leaving a shithole homeland and invading a first world nations that gives you free housing, food, education, and health care makes them social leeches of the worst kind, not slaves.

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The point is people will justify their hatred/fear/whatever you wanna call it by using perfectly legitimate concerns as a smokescreen.


Or maybe you think its a coincidence that all the racists are part of the "fiscal conservatism" crowd.


Cmon. Whether you're a fiscal conservative for purely fiscal reasons, you should be able to admit that.

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Well here lies the problem, if one has legitimate concerns about anyone entering their country, others can always make the claim of "hatred/fear" for their rational, does that seem fair to you?  Many times it has NOTHING to do with hatred of "different people", it based on practicality and nothing more!

"all racists are part of the fiscal conservatism crowd"

I didn't know Obama and many of his supporters were fiscally conservative, I always assumed they were fiscally irresponsible. The point is, racists and fiscal outlooks are NOT correlated in any manner. Nice try.

I have put on miles of fiscal evidence for why I'm against illegals entering and living in the US, what do some still call me?  A racist. The reason is because they know I'm correct on the fiscal part of the equation but don't want to admit it. In other words, I'm suppose to ignore and obvious and just accept everyone because "it's the right thing to do".

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zappaisgod said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I'd love to test your theory out on ANY company.  Send the shareholders to the gulag and see how well the company runs.  Then remove the workers and see how well the company runs.

I think we both know damn well which scenario would run the company better. 

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A company doesn't need any employees at all to exist.  Send the shareholders to the gulag and there is no company at all.  Business is rapidly running away from employees and toward automation wherever possible.  Employees are liabilities. 


Start your own company.  Don't hire anybody.  Does the company still exist?  Can it generate income?  The answer to both of those questions is, "Yes."  If you never start it does it exist?  No.

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akira_akuma said:

Zappa might have a very particular worldview, but he might have a different opinion in light of certain evidence, on what is what -- but of course, we all have our own associations with self-interest, and we all share the planet, so we all have vagaries of views, depending on how old we are, where we come from, what we do, what we did. we all have our own inner reflections of the outer. i know that Zappa is not merely speaking with ideological glasses....

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The Ecstatic said:

at least zappa can articulate a thought and back it up with relevant information.

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