Tipote said:

WAN said:

Nobody is "blaming" the immigrants.  We are just recognizing the reality that they fuel the current bad situations and that if they are removed, things will improve.

Immigrants might not be the root cause but they do contribute to things.  surely you recognize this.

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its like smashing my face against a brick wall when i talk to you.

I've already said that immigrants contribute to problems. they also alleviate problems. Nothing is 100% one thing or the other.

I say again.. why not address the structural problems in the first place instead of demonising all immigrants.

When all the immigrants are gone and we still have massive problems, who else will we blame? Why not take responsibility?

Why not addressing the massive inequalities in our country regardless of immigrants. We treat our own people like shit anyway, immigration is not the reason for that. Our systems are broken and nothing will work if you dont address that first.

I think I might ignore you, WAN. Its just so mind-numbingly stupid.

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Nobody is "blaming" the immigrants.  We are just recognizing the reality that they fuel the current bad situations and that if they are removed, things will improve.

Immigrants might not be the root cause but they do contribute to things.  surely you recognize this.

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its like smashing my face against a brick wall when i talk to you.

I've already said that immigrants contribute to problems. they also alleviate problems. Nothing is 100% one thing or the other.

I say again.. why not address the structural problems in the first place instead of demonising all immigrants.

When all the immigrants are gone and we still have massive problems, who else will we blame? Why not take responsibility?

Why not addressing the massive inequalities in our country regardless of immigrants. We treat our own people like shit anyway, immigration is not the reason for that. Our systems are broken and nothing will work if you dont address that first.

I think I might ignore you, WAN. Its just so mind-numbingly stupid.

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Also, I just want to point out that even though I am an immigrant, now I am also a citizen of a Western country.  As such, I care about the future of my new country and this might in part explain why I hold the positions I do regarding future immigrants.

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Muslims in the EU, many of whom are citizens like you, do also care about their new country. In some cases its been their country for generations.

Youre like an illegal immigrant from Mexico who supports the Republican Party.

WAN said:

I never said third-worlers are "stupid" and "worth less as humans than me".  If you need to resort to twisting people's words and setting up strawman arguments in order to "win" a debate, maybe you should stop coming to message boards.

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It was a paraphrasing notice that it said "WAN basically said:". You are worse than hostile universe. We have to hold your hand through everything because you struggle to understand the most basic concepts.

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qman said:

Tipote said:

qman said:

So with this line of reasoning, there's a never ending list of historic and present day reasons for terrorist mindset. 

Thank you for making it clear that the mindset NEVER has a chance of going away and that deportation is truly the only rational position to protect the EU homelands.

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You base that on the idea that abuses have been and are being commited so they should continue???????

Here is a crazy idea.. why not STOP the abuses??

Addressing the present day abuses can stop history continuing the cycle. It will only get worse this way.

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"so they (abuses) should continue"

Never said that.

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qman said:

"they alleviate problems"

Examples?

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Tipote said:

qman said:

Tipote said:

qman said:

So with this line of reasoning, there's a never ending list of historic and present day reasons for terrorist mindset. 

Thank you for making it clear that the mindset NEVER has a chance of going away and that deportation is truly the only rational position to protect the EU homelands.

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You base that on the idea that abuses have been and are being commited so they should continue???????

Here is a crazy idea.. why not STOP the abuses??

Addressing the present day abuses can stop history continuing the cycle. It will only get worse this way.

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"so they (abuses) should continue"

Never said that.

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I didnt say you did, i was asking a question (see the question marks).

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You clearly stated that historical events are a reason for the present day terrorist mindset, we can't change history!  So with that being said, the Muslim terrorist mindset can't ever be changed.

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They are a significant contributing factor IN CONJUNCTION with the continuation of abuses. Present day abuses have that much more significance with the context of historical abuses. If countries decide to change that then it is a clear break with past abuses. It opens avenues towards healing and the reduction of hate between people.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"they alleviate problems"

Examples?

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People spend money, they create jobs.
Smart people from other countries fuel industry and innovation. Apple came from the mind of a child of a syrian refugee.

Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

Having assimilated foreigners in our societies and intelligence agencies make our societies stronger and more secure with more capabilities.

Stronger relationships and understanding of other countries increases the likelihood for friendly relationships globally whether socially/culturally/economically/technological/militarily etc etc etc

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"People spend money. they create jobs"



They also cost more money than they contribute and take jobs/lower wages for the native population.

Also, bringing in highly skilled labor lowers the wages of college educated Americans, Trump is going to put an end to that nonsense.

qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

It's clearly the existing Muslim population in the EU and the "refugees" currently flooding into Europe.

"or all muslims in general that the problem"

  What's your problem?  I wish the best for all Muslims that live in their own cultures and homelands, I have no issues at all.

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so as long as they aren't in your lands right? nice slip into segregation there qman. you really need to think about how you word things if you're going to keep trying to convince us you aren't a shitty racists

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There's nothing wrong with people coming to your homelands IF there's work for them and they're willing to assimilate into that culture, none of those conditions exist for Muslims in the EU today for obvious reasons.

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WAN said:

Racists deserve politically correct treatments.

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airclay said:

WAN said:

Racists deserve politically correct treatments.

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MightyWhite said:

Pull up a chair and have a seat, because I have some bad news for you......
People are never going to stop hating each other. Never.

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airclay said:

qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

It's clearly the existing Muslim population in the EU and the "refugees" currently flooding into Europe.

"or all muslims in general that the problem"

  What's your problem?  I wish the best for all Muslims that live in their own cultures and homelands, I have no issues at all.

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so as long as they aren't in your lands right? nice slip into segregation there qman. you really need to think about how you word things if you're going to keep trying to convince us you aren't a shitty racists

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There's nothing wrong with people coming to your homelands IF there's work for them and they're willing to assimilate into that culture, none of those conditions exist for Muslims in the EU today for obvious reasons.

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so where do you draw the line on who's homeland is who's? and how are you deciding who those who's even are?

try and answer those without slipping back into racism, remember there are at least a million muslims that were born in the EU, birthright citizens. Also tell me what culture they need to assimilate to?

you love cultural hegemony and don't understand how it leads to your racist opinions.

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qman said:

I think we know who is part of the native population and who isn't, the point is you start with the trouble makers, it's not that complicated.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

I think we know who is part of the native population and who isn't, the point is you start with the trouble makers, it's not that complicated.

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white people right? WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE

No its not that clear cut, its way more complicated then you let on. How to define trouble makers? Are you including citizens? Who draws the lines?

This is almost as well thought out as your response to the attacks..

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qman said:

You're concerned with the exact logistical specifics, it's not going to matter if the "far-right" and others take over "homeland security" in places like Germany.

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If the shit hits the fan, Muslims are going to wish they were compassionately deported.

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qman said:

Why Islam can't function in the EU.

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that video didnt really make the case for "why islam can't function in the EU"

Islam has been in Europe for a long time. Google Kosovo. its population is 90% muslim and has been for hundreds of years.

"if we had that money back then there wouldnt be any economic problems in Europe"

night_shift said:

WAN said:

airclay said:

WAN said:

Racists deserve politically correct treatments.

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Do we not extend human rights to convicted murderers, who might very well have violated the human rights of his victim/s?  It's the same principle.

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Political correctness is far from being a human right. It is supposed to be a shield for the weak, to protect them from being stepped onto by the powerful over and over again, to prevent the powerful from establishing their power over the weak over and over again. It even does this to some (limited) extent, which is good in my book.

What is bad in my book, and the reason I hate political correctness, is that it's being exploited by the powerful. "Oh, we're not using the offensive term, we're using the PC term, so what we're saying is ok." Lovely.

What is even worse, you just demonstrated. Your statement is a perversion of the idea, and not of the fun kind of perversion either. Political correctness is not designed to protect the powerful, sorry.

In simpler words, and I'll use the terms I am used to. If the words "you dirty gypsy" are used towards a person who is in fact gypsy and who might be in fact dirty, and whose greatest hope of "integrating" in our society might be becoming a garbage collector, this is the end of all communication. The power line is clear and it is quite clear who will go on with their hopes for building a better life for themselves and who will remain hopeless in the trash. If, on the other hand, the words "you racist scumbag" are used towards a person who is in fact racist and questionably (because they question it) a scumbag, this is a beginning of a heated argument. This is a position of being able to hear the other person. None of the participants is rightfully sentenced to work as a garbage collector by the other. This is fucking equality.

Thus, racist scumbags are not covered by the umbrella of political correctness.

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