qman said:

It's clearly the existing Muslim population in the EU and the "refugees" currently flooding into Europe.

"or all muslims in general that the problem"

  What's your problem?  I wish the best for all Muslims that live in their own cultures and homelands, I have no issues at all.

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WAN said:

airclay said:

again Wan is arguing for the politically correct treatment of a self recognized class of people that deny and oppose political correctness.

just wanted to point that out for the second time

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I am not quite sure what you are trying to say.  Are you saying that racists shouldn't receive politically correct treatments just because they are racists?

Please clarify.

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airclay said:

WAN said:

airclay said:

again Wan is arguing for the politically correct treatment of a self recognized class of people that deny and oppose political correctness.

just wanted to point that out for the second time

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I am not quite sure what you are trying to say.  Are you saying that racists shouldn't receive politically correct treatments just because they are racists?

Please clarify.

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You're asking for the kind treatment or fair treatment for a class of people that recognize that those treatments are only for certain types of people and that others do not deserve much if any at all. It's a little hypocritical.

racists are fucking ignorant shitheads

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Enlil said:

Nobody deserves "politically correct treatment" whatever that is.

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WAN said:

There is nothing wrong with ethnically pure states.  As a rule, people don't like "outsiders", aka those who are different from they are.  I bet if we do get ethnically pure states, we will see a huge reduction in hate crimes and terrorist acts.

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can you not think of a single reason why ethnically pure states might be a problem??

viktor said:

Tipote said:

If you don't understand your enemy, you will lose.

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This is why Muslims need to understand that they will not get to take over Europe, no matter how much they might fantasise about it or how much they believe Islam is fated to rule the world.

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Muslims know that they will not get to take over Europe. This is only in the minds of some Daesh people and its completely unrealistic.

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The native Europeans will kill all Muslims in Europe before that happens.

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You know there are millions of native muslims in Europe.......right?

WAN said:

But bigots are our citizens.  Of course we can't kick them out.  Immigrants, illegals and refugees aren't.  It's ok to kick them out, or better yet, not let them in in the first place.

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Muslims are citizens of Europe in the millions. There are native Europeans who are muslims. Would you back kicking them out too?

What about mixed families who may have the appearance of a foreign origin but who are European? There are fully integrated Muslims in Europe who are sidelined and demonised for any hint of "foreignness"

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You are a sympathizer of foreign elements.

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For someone who thinks that calling someone racist is wrong or unfair, surely you have double standards?

What does "sympathiser of foreign elements" even mean??

WAN said:

You shouldn't need to rely on a video clip to make your point for you.  Besides, not everybody views videos.  I for one, don't.  I read texts, which I think are superior.

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so youre not only a white supremacist canadian asian but youre a text supremacist?! What the fuck is wrong with videos?

Bubbles85 said:

How do we fight them effectively? There's no front line, its not traditional warfare. They kill civilians. They're fucking cowards.

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They're to pussy to fight against armed opposition, so they kill innocent unarmed civilians. PUSSIES

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They lurk in the shadows, strapped with explosives and blow them shelves up before being detected. So how can we fight that effectively?

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Intelligence is really the only way and that's clearly failing. The EU is failing. We have massive radicalization problems among millions of Muslims in the EU and still the political elite insist on importing millions more in every year. Its fucking insanity.

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You your self have admitted to going to Mosque, fasting for Ramadan and having family connections to the Third World. Its only natural to assume that its with in your interest to protect their interests (immigrants from that region)

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airclay said:

qman said:

It's clearly the existing Muslim population in the EU and the "refugees" currently flooding into Europe.

"or all muslims in general that the problem"

  What's your problem?  I wish the best for all Muslims that live in their own cultures and homelands, I have no issues at all.

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so as long as they aren't in your lands right? nice slip into segregation there qman. you really need to think about how you word things if you're going to keep trying to convince us you aren't a shitty racists

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

There is nothing wrong with ethnically pure states.  As a rule, people don't like "outsiders", aka those who are different from they are.  I bet if we do get ethnically pure states, we will see a huge reduction in hate crimes and terrorist acts.

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can you not think of a single reason why ethnically pure states might be a problem??

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WAN said:But bigots are our citizens.  Of course we can't kick them out.  Immigrants, illegals and refugees aren't.  It's ok to kick them out, or better yet, not let them in in the first place.

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Muslims are citizens of Europe in the millions. There are native Europeans who are muslims. Would you back kicking them out too?

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You are a sympathizer of foreign elements.

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For someone who thinks that calling someone racist is wrong or unfair, surely you have double standards?

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WAN said:
You shouldn't need to rely on a video clip to make your point for you.  Besides, not everybody views videos.  I for one, don't.  I read texts, which I think are superior.

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so youre not only a white supremacist canadian asian but youre a text supremacist?! What the fuck is wrong with videos?

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qman said:

Europe's economic problems and decline isn't an opinion, it's a fact.  You see when there aren't enough jobs for the native populations, it makes no sense keeping and importing third world leeches in their homelands.

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BTW, nobody cares if the terrorists disagreed with the war in Iraq, maybe liberals like Tip and yourself do, but nobody else gives a fuck.

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Malkuthian said:

NO!

They are bad.
So they should not be allowed.
Kinda like drugs.
They are also bad.
We should not try to understand them, or peoples need for them, nor where they came from and what has caused the culture around them.
We should just ban them, cause then they disappear!

Obvious solution is obvious. Duh.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

Europe's economic problems and decline isn't an opinion, it's a fact.  You see when there aren't enough jobs for the native populations, it makes no sense keeping and importing third world leeches in their homelands.

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the problems our countries face will not go away if we just deported "third world leeches". There are structural problems that are in place regardless. While SOME aspects of immigration can be very harmful, it is not responsible for those structures.

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qman said:

airclay said:

nope, I believe we should take a real look at how we respond to the acts socially and legally; at home and abroad to ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism.

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" ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism"

How does "we" create terrorism?  We don't.

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qman said:

"It's important to temper our responses and actions abroad"

I agree 100%, when Muslims in the EU blowup a airport in Belgium, the response should not be abroad, the response should be in the EU.

Terrorism in the EU is a European issue, it's NOT about ISIS, the fact that the terrorists have issues with geopolitical events in the ME doesn't give it credibility.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

airclay said:

nope, I believe we should take a real look at how we respond to the acts socially and legally; at home and abroad to ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism.

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" ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism"

How does "we" create terrorism?  We don't.

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we create terrorism when we invade countries and then leave them in pieces. Failed states are an environment for terrorism to thrive. When we torture people, that fuels terrorism. When we deny people their rights, they fuels terrorism. When we drone strike civilians, that creates terrorism.

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Malkuthian said:

qman said:

So you have no opinions or solutions to a massive problem in the EU other than to call out others for their viewpoints.

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I never said I don't have opinions, I said I haven't expressed them, which makes it moronic for you to assume you know them. Simple logic... I have a lot of opinions, but I don't have firm opinions on how to handle the crisis, I.e. I don't claim to have a solution. I think that makes sense. It a complicated question, claiming you know the solution is ridiculous. Unfortunately a lot of people here think they have found the way...
The discussion would be more rewarding without all the per-determined opinions and easy scapegoat solutions.

qman said:

he doesn't spew "I think you're a fucking idiot" to address a very serious viewpoint that's pervasive all around the EU.

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But you do...
"...you keep digging your hole deeper by rationalizing and apologizing for terrorist acts against the West carried out by Muslims. Truly disgusting."
First lies about his opinions, then calling him disgusting...
So why shouldn't I?

And I was actually not just spewing some harsh words, there was a point behind the bad words:
You continuously claim that I(and tip and others) have opinions we don't have.
Why?
Because you think that we disagreeing with you automatically places us in a defined group with defined opinions.
Therefore I am stating that even though I disagree with you completely I DO NOT agree agree with your defined opponents either. The world is not black and white.

The point is: if you want a discussion for real, STOP with the straw man bullshit already...
It's not strange what so ever that I do not agree with neither you nor leftist apologist libtards.

qman said:

If you have some viewpoints please let us know because just offering PC counter disagreements is nothing more than pissing in the wind.

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I have stated more then one time before that before solutions can be discussed seriously we need to remove the misconceptions. what is a reasonable solution and not actually depends on the reality of the situation. Therefore we need to agree on the situation to be able to move the discussion to the next step. If you think Muslims are inbreed mongrels, that needs to be questioned so we can view "Muslims" for what they actually are, and then continue with the discussion from there. Otherwise we can not make reasonable conclusions on how to handle the problems associated with Muslim immigration.

This idea is not rocket science.
As long as there is: racist lunacy, conspiratorial idiocy, general misconceptions and half ass generalizations that doesn't imply nearly as much as claimed, I will continue to argue against it. Are you saying that I'm not entitled to because I have not given you my viewpoint on how to handle the crisis? Newsflash: you racist arguments are wrong regardless of how the problem can be solved.

And btw:
this thread is not about Muslims and how to solve those problems.
This thread is about the problems with the rise of the far right.
Hence I have mostly discussed the problems concerning the far right in this thread: "racist lunacy, conspiratorial idiocy, general misconceptions and half ass generalizations that doesn't imply nearly as much as claimed"...

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excellent post, Malk

Tipote said:

qman said:

"It's important to temper our responses and actions abroad"

I agree 100%, when Muslims in the EU blowup a airport in Belgium, the response should not be abroad, the response should be in the EU.

Terrorism in the EU is a European issue, it's NOT about ISIS, the fact that the terrorists have issues with geopolitical events in the ME doesn't give it credibility.

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So what would your response be?

Terrorism in the EU cannot be separated from global affairs. That is just a fact.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

airclay said:

nope, I believe we should take a real look at how we respond to the acts socially and legally; at home and abroad to ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism.

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" ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism"

How does "we" create terrorism?  We don't.

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we create terrorism when we invade countries and then leave them in pieces. Failed states are an environment for terrorism to thrive. When we torture people, that fuels terrorism. When we deny people their rights, they fuels terrorism. When we drone strike civilians, that creates terrorism.

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Is allowing millions of "refugees" from the ME into the EU and offering them residency and free social benefits creating terrorists? That's the ultimate humanitarian act of all-time, yet liberals like yourself are still pissing on the West for "creating more terrorism".

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You prefer no criticism of Western actions? Otherwise its pissing on the West???
Yes accepting refugees is a humanitarian act and righteous. It is a positive thing. But at the same time it is open to infiltration by elements who want to fuck up the West. This is why I consistently say that its possible to accept refugees and secure the borders. There are belligerents in war ALWAYS. For Daesh to commit a few attacks in Europe, it immediately creates massive discord and confusion in Europe and threatens the majority genuine refugees. To accept refugees is undermining to Daesh propaganda. Why would so many muslims flee Daesh if they were all the same? If they were islamic, surely muslims would want to live there.. but they flee instead. That is a situation that is in the interest of multiple foreign actors to exacerbate in Europe. This just means the approach needs to be fully coordinated across Europe and the Middle East to help those genuinely in need and root out belligerents.

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So once again the burden of accountability falls upon the West , of course we should examine our response, is that really the core issue at work here?  No, it's not.

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Our response is very significant, but, no, there is never one thing that is 100% responsible. There are multiple factors all coming into play.

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qman said:

"Terrorism in the eu being exported by ISIS"

Not true, these are EU Muslims committing these acts.  Even if ISIS is gone tomorrow, the EU still has a massive problem with the Muslims that currently live there.

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no... that is completely true. Of course Daesh is exporting terror what planet do you live on?

if Daesh was gone tomorrow, the logistics and infrastructure supporting these attacks would not be there. It doesnt mean it would solve things completely because there are still legitimate grievances but it would significantly change their capabilities.

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"We need a new approach"

I agree, bringing in third world people into the EU is a proven disaster.

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Bubbles85 said:

I agree with qman .. The vast majority of these attackers are born in the EU. The ones who have entered a conflict zone like Syria have done so by choice. They're not born there and are not directly affected by Western military action in these country's.

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They simply use our military presence in country's like Afghanistan and Iraq as an excuse for their actions. People in the West claiming that this is the reason, should reconsider their positions.

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Far more EU born Muslims fight along side terrorist organizations like ISIS, than those who fight for their respective country's of citizenship here.

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