viktor said:
Bubbles85 said:
Industrial Revolution
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The Industrial Revolution began in the United Kingdom and most of the important technological innovations were British.
Everyone in the world, including Tipote, knows that the Industrial Revolution was a British phenomenon.
Yup, Bubbles just likes to state facts that no one is disputing.
viktor said:
What made me laugh was Tipote's assertion that the British "stole technology" from the colonies.
Just so unbelievably 
its unbelievably that you seem to assume these countries were just a bunch of brown people flinging shit at eachother.. as though they didnt have technology, industry and empire of their own. African civilisations have been some of the most advanced and oldest in history. Technology has been stolen between every country/group since always, and it will always happen. African civilisations actually had a good level of development, technology, industry etc. I wasn't saying that it was though the British went to Africa, stole a steam engine. Some African nations were some of the best in the world at weaving, metallergy etc at the time, they had things to teach. Many libraries and universities (some of the oldest and best in the world)were razed to the ground. The loss of knowledge is incalculable.
The latest thing I said on this was...
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Tipote said:garment technology was taken from India and other countries, and manufactured goods were sold back to them. This created an economic dependency with the Empire at the heart.
The destruction of African civilisations has happened over centuries. By being able to manufacture goods cheaply and dominate the market, the local industry was destroyed over time. This economic relationship has widened the gap of development between Europe and Africa ever since.
The Impact of Colonialism on African Economic Development
Joshua Dwayne Settles University of Tennessee
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Prior to the partition of Africa, the continent had become increasingly integrated economically, with trade occurring north -south and east -west. The policies of the governing powers redirected all African trade to the international export market. Thus today, there is little in the way of inter-African trade, and the pattern of economic dependence continues. The imposition of colonialism on the continent of Africa occurred for many reasons, not the least of which was economic. Prior to this development, Africa was advancing and progressing economically and politically. Colonialism encouraged this development in some areas, but in many others severely retarded the normal progress of the continent. Had colonialism never been imposed on Africa, its development would be significantly different and many of the problems that plague it today would not exist.
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One result of the increase in international trade was that indigenous Afiican economy was subordinated to the interests of Europe. The slave trading system did this by substituting European manufactured products for those products which normally would have been made locally. Thus we see early developing a pattern of Africa as a source of raw materials, in this case labor, and as only a consumer of goods. The result of such uneven trade is evident. Even innocuous imports such as textiles, competed damagingly with local products, with the result that the technological gap between Africa and Europe, confined in the 15th century to shipping and firearms, widened to such an extent that African technology failed to progress.
The European colonial mentality says that Africa has never had civilization. this is a lie.
100 African Cities Destroyed By Europeans: WHY there are seldom historical buildings and monuments in sub-Saharian Africa!
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Did you know that in the 14th century the city of Timbuktu in West Africa was five times bigger than the city of London, and was the richest city in the world?
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As historical sources described above the continent was full of monuments. Where are they?
The sad truth is that Europeans invaders have destroyed most of them either as punitive actions or under the scramble for Africa ‘Terra Nullius’ law.
During the scramble for Africa by Europeans, the main way to prove that a land was qualified for colonization or take over was ‘Terra Nullius”, a Latin expression deriving from Roman law meaning “land belonging to no one”, which is used in international law to describe territory which has never been subject to the sovereignty of any state, or over which any prior sovereign has expressly or implicitly relinquished sovereignty. Sovereignty over territory which is terra nullius may be acquired through occupation”
Africa before Transatlantic Enslavement
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The African continent continued on its own path of development, without significant external intervention until the fifteenth century of our era. Some of the world’s other great civilisations, such as Kush, Axum, Mali, and Great Zimbabwe, flourished in Africa in the years before 1500. In this early period Africans participated in extensive international trading networks and in trans-oceanic travel. Certainly some African states had established important trading relations with India, China and other parts of Asia long before these were disrupted by European intervention.
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In most parts of Africa before 1500, societies had become highly developed in terms of their own histories. They often had complex systems of participatory government, or were established powerful states that covered large territories and had extensive regional and international links.
Many of these societies had solved difficult agricultural problems and had come up with advanced techniques of production of food and other crops and were engaged in local, regional or even international trading networks. Some peoples were skilled miners and metallurgists, others great artists in wood, stone and other materials. Many of the societies had also amassed a great stock of scientific and other knowledge, some of it stored in libraries such as those of Timbuktu, but some passed down orally from generation to generation.
There was great diversity across the continent and therefore societies at different stages and levels of development. Most importantly, Africans had established their own economic and political systems, their own cultures, technologies and philosophies that had enabled them to make spectacular advances and important contributions to human knowledge.
The significance of the transatlantic slave trade is not just that it led to the loss of millions of lives and the departure of millions of those who could have contributed to Africa's future, although depopulation did have a great impact. But just as devastating was the fact that African societies were disrupted by the trade and increasingly unable to follow an independent path of development. Colonial rule and its modern legacy have been a continuation of this disruption.
The devastation of Africa through transatlantic slavery was accompanied by the ignorance of some historians and philosophers to negate its entire history. These ideas and philosophies suggested, that among other things, Africans had never developed any institutions or cultures, nor anything else of any worth and that future advances could only take place under the direction of Europeans or European institutions.
Africa before European slavery
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Art, learning and technology flourished and Africans were especially skilled in subjects like medicine, mathematics and astronomy. As well as domestic goods, they made fine luxury items in bronze, ivory, gold and terracotta for both local use and trade.
West Africans had traded with Europeans through merchants in North Africa for centuries. The first traders to sail down the West African coast were the Portuguese in the 15th century. Later the Dutch, British, French and Scandinavians followed. They were mainly interested in precious items such as gold, ivory and spices, particularly pepper.
From their first contacts, European traders kidnapped and bought Africans for sale in Europe. However, it was not until the 17th century, when plantation owners wanted more and more slaves to satisfy the increasing demand for sugar in Europe, that transatlantic slaving became the dominant trade.
I hope my point is a little clearer to you now..
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