Malkuthian said:

qman said:

What is the point of bringing in poor people into a place that already has too many poor people and no jobs available?  None.

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Well, the point is saving the life of the poor people brought in.
In Sweden we basically don't have poor people by the way.

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So you save their lives and take care of them for the next 50-60 years? 

So you wouldn't mind if the US sends you 50 million unemployed people?

qman said:

Malkuthian said:

qman said:

What is the point of bringing in poor people into a place that already has too many poor people and no jobs available?  None.

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Well, the point is saving the life of the poor people brought in.
In Sweden we basically don't have poor people by the way.

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So you save their lives and take care of them for the next 50-60 years? 

So you wouldn't mind if the US sends you 50 million unemployed people?

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Malkuthian said:

qman said:

Malkuthian said:

qman said:

What is the point of bringing in poor people into a place that already has too many poor people and no jobs available?  None.

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Well, the point is saving the life of the poor people brought in.
In Sweden we basically don't have poor people by the way.

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So you save their lives and take care of them for the next 50-60 years? 

So you wouldn't mind if the US sends you 50 million unemployed people?

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Read my post above. Ameritards aren't allowed here.

We do not have to take care of anyone for 50-60 years, they assimilate enough to get jobs in a lot less time than that...
But yea, I think helping other people is the right way to go, regardless of the time span.

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airclay said:

Thanks for confirming my stance qman.

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You're going to need to elaborate, no one has a clue what you're talking about. 

Malkuthian said:

We do not have to take care of anyone for 50-60 years, they assimilate enough to get jobs in a lot less time than that...

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qman said:

"Ameritards aren't allowed here"

Wow, nice job flaming over 300 million people for no valid reason.

"I think helping other people is the way to go"

As long as they aren't "Ameritards"?  Seems like a discriminatory outlook based on bigotry.

Thank you for finally showing your true colors to the board, I had you figured out a long time ago, again thanks for the confirmation.

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qman said:

airclay said:

Your polish ancestors have nothing to do here, you use them as an example often and they fit whatever argument suits your point. And there's no real ground there, how do I know they're real? Respect, but bye folks.

You go on to make assumptions about how minorities feel as is the typical opinions from someone who overwhelmingly supports racism. You lead a narrative that wants less than slaves to do the hard immigrant work and to keep their complaints down long enough to learn english so they can understand what you tell them to do all the while hiding their identities to allow yours to take dominance in culture; in the most masturbatory manner.

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"you lead a narrative that wants less than slaves to do the hard immigrant work and to keep their complaints down"

How about working hard and keeping your mouth shut?  It worked for my ancestors in the US.

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airclay said:

qman said:

airclay said:

Your polish ancestors have nothing to do here, you use them as an example often and they fit whatever argument suits your point. And there's no real ground there, how do I know they're real? Respect, but bye folks.

You go on to make assumptions about how minorities feel as is the typical opinions from someone who overwhelmingly supports racism. You lead a narrative that wants less than slaves to do the hard immigrant work and to keep their complaints down long enough to learn english so they can understand what you tell them to do all the while hiding their identities to allow yours to take dominance in culture; in the most masturbatory manner.

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"you lead a narrative that wants less than slaves to do the hard immigrant work and to keep their complaints down"

How about working hard and keeping your mouth shut?  It worked for my ancestors in the US.

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Like I said thanks for confirming my stance above.

Also do you never think that your opinion on your polish relatives is at all bias? You don't think people around them were shitty when they themselves struggled with english in public? or do you think they just one day spoke great english and everyone saw them as a shining example of how to assimilate? The idea that you can't understand how your stance was applied to your relatives in their "assimilation" period is ridiculous.

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Malkuthian said:

qman said:

"Ameritards aren't allowed here"

Wow, nice job flaming over 300 million people for no valid reason.

"I think helping other people is the way to go"

As long as they aren't "Ameritards"?  Seems like a discriminatory outlook based on bigotry.

Thank you for finally showing your true colors to the board, I had you figured out a long time ago, again thanks for the confirmation.

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Wow, was it that hard for you to understand I was not being serious?
I was trying out your rhetoric to see how it feels. You guys seem so happy to use it, I thought I'd give it a try. Changing the ending of words to "-tard", judging entire groups based on prejudice, etc. Obviously you understand how stupid this rhetoric is when it comes to judging Americans, but when it comes to judging other groups you don't seem to get it. Some sort of Bias involved perhaps?

Amazing that you don't manage to understand that my remarks weren't serious.

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Hungary's prime minister has held talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying that the migrant influx is eroding the national identity of EU members and raising terror threats.

Viktor Orban's trip to Moscow on Wednesday came a day before a European Union summit, where the migrant crisis is expected to weigh heavily on the agenda.

Orban said that Hungary disagrees with those in the EU who see the arrival of migrants as positive. He said that Hungary and some others want to protect their ethnic and Christian roots against an uncontrolled flow of migrants.

Asked about his view, Putin said that he wouldn't weigh in on an EU domestic issue, but praised Orban for his stance.

"We sympathize with the stance of the Hungarian leadership, the prime minister of Hungary to defend the European identity, the identity of their country, their people" he said.

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So where should the next impenetrable razor-wire border fence in Europe be built?

Hungary's right-wing Prime Minister Viktor Orban thinks he knows the best place — on Macedonia's and Bulgaria's borders with Greece — smack along the main immigration route from the Middle East to Western Europe. He says it's necessary because "Greece can't defend Europe from the south" against the large numbers of refugees pouring in, mainly from Syria and Iraq.

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night_shift said:

Not quite. I don't think open borders would bring down the system, this would be rather naive. Also, I prefer a gradual transition, not an apocalyptic collaps, if possible, just to clarify.

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I happen to think that "innocent until proven guilty" is a valuable moral code. I also think that the division between the radical ideas in the cultures we're speaking of has grown so much that the last thing we need is another wall, be it metaphorical or literal, to further fuel the division. There is no option avoiding tears and blood. I just want to diminish the amount of those. Globally, not just for "us". It sickens me that all of what we've managed to globalize is the market and people are just expendable as a result of this. Economics should be working for the people, not the other way around. This is clearly not the case.

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Malkuthian said:

But you seem perfectly okay with this when speaking about groups of your own choosing.
Why is that?

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qman said:

It was a different time, language wasn't required to work in the mills or farms, it is much more important today. BTW, the second generation was completely fluent in English.

Also, the demand for their labor was there, that doesn't exist today.

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airclay said:

qman said:

It was a different time, language wasn't required to work in the mills or farms, it is much more important today. BTW, the second generation was completely fluent in English.

Also, the demand for their labor was there, that doesn't exist today.

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wtf, oh yeah was it? can you cite that for me or do I just trust you know best? And as someone with extended family that is illegal, I've never known second gen to not be bilingual. But let's take a step back here and remember that the population chooses the language and not the state. If the pop changes then so does the language.

your last sentence basically sums up your whole stance as when the slave work is there, we'll make exceptions. Otherwise you come here and you get to bein american bucko.

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qman said:

The elite always want a excess pool of labor, that's why both Democrats and now Republicans openly support a open border policy.

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Enlil said:

They already are.  Not all citizens rape, but some do.  Not all refugees rape, but some do.  That fact is wholly irrelevant to whether or not refugees should be allowed into a country.

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airclay said:

qman said:

The elite always want a excess pool of labor, that's why both Democrats and now Republicans openly support a open border policy.

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this statement is outright bullshit from your fairy tale understanding of politics.

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Your inability to address my points is very telling, I have plenty of understanding when it comes to economics and politics, can you say the same?