Repertoire89 said:

I don't expect anyone to like my answer, but

If desertification picks up (as it is) and agriculture / water supplies become so scarce that we're looking at massive migration, there will be problems everywhere, resources will be problematic in the most ideal places.

My solution is for nations / communities to turn away outsiders, many people will die and protecting your own comes first. For that particular situation I would advocate lethal force to protect the borders. I would also advocate migrants using lethal force to acquire resources.

Someone's going to starve, and I would rather kill than be that person.

Anyways it really doesn't matter if anyone likes the idea, should the population continue growing while resources become more scarce, this will happen.

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You're right, I didnt like that answer

Youre also probably, yet unfortunately, right that if trends continue- this is the outcome. Entire fortress cities and continents. The ultimate gated compound-living.

Man, its so dystopic.

I know some people on here know that we can be talking about spoons and I'll bring up Israel someway or another but..

This is part of the reason I find Israel/Palestine to be such a fundamental issue affecting not just that country or region but the world. Israel exports a brand for dealing with undesirable people in segregated systems to the rest of the world. Its about internal control and external control.

Israel in a way is a microcosm (ish) for what is happening in Europe. The rise of the right, ultra-nationalism, racism, paranoia of an existential threat, resource theft, securitisation of everything, military confiscations of land, cracking down in dissenters and exclusion of undesirables. 

back to your dystopia- it would mean that the resource rich parts of the world, which also largely happen to be in developing countries, would have their countries cut up by multinationals (this has actually already happened in a sense). So it goes further than just clamping down on the borders except if you are incredibly resource rich, it necessitates that countries/multinationals have another wave of imperialism into the rest of the world to secure more resources.

IMO, If Africa was given the chance to heal and develop independently, it could be the most powerful continent on Earth. The rest of the world is like a parasite sucking it dry.

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it necessitates that countries/multinationals have another wave of imperialism into the rest of the world to secure more resources.

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akira_akuma said:

Bigbadwooof said:

This thread is getting exhausting.

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because the thread is argumentative circular nonsense by now, because it's based on circular logic.

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Maybe the Americans and others bombing the Middle East should have some responsibility for making it a better place.
Do  you think the people of London after the Blitzkreig carpet bombing have a responsibility to make it better?

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If you find a dying man in the street and help him, does that entitle you to rob him?
I thought you would be someone who respects the idea of private property, not robbing the vulnerable.
I know that in your hostile universe, there is no such thing as altruism, in that case see it like this - if there is peace in Syria, there aren't going to be refugees coming to your country. That should be incentive enough for you if you need something in return for doing the moral thing.

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Tipote said:

Repertoire89 said:

I don't expect anyone to like my answer, but

If desertification picks up (as it is) and agriculture / water supplies become so scarce that we're looking at massive migration, there will be problems everywhere, resources will be problematic in the most ideal places.

My solution is for nations / communities to turn away outsiders, many people will die and protecting your own comes first. For that particular situation I would advocate lethal force to protect the borders. I would also advocate migrants using lethal force to acquire resources.

Someone's going to starve, and I would rather kill than be that person.

Anyways it really doesn't matter if anyone likes the idea, should the population continue growing while resources become more scarce, this will happen.

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You're right, I didnt like that answer

Youre also probably, yet unfortunately, right that if trends continue- this is the outcome. Entire fortress cities and continents. The ultimate gated compound-living.

Man, its so dystopic.

I know some people on here know that we can be talking about spoons and I'll bring up Israel someway or another but..

This is part of the reason I find Israel/Palestine to be such a fundamental issue affecting not just that country or region but the world. Israel exports a brand for dealing with undesirable people in segregated systems to the rest of the world. Its about internal control and external control.

Israel in a way is a microcosm (ish) for what is happening in Europe. The rise of the right, ultra-nationalism, racism, paranoia of an existential threat, resource theft, securitisation of everything, military confiscations of land, cracking down in dissenters and exclusion of undesirables. 

back to your dystopia- it would mean that the resource rich parts of the world, which also largely happen to be in developing countries, would have their countries cut up by multinationals (this has actually already happened in a sense). So it goes further than just clamping down on the borders except if you are incredibly resource rich, it necessitates that countries/multinationals have another wave of imperialism into the rest of the world to secure more resources.

IMO, If Africa was given the chance to heal and develop independently, it could be the most powerful continent on Earth. The rest of the world is like a parasite sucking it dry.

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fennel acid tones said:

'And to the people of this land I will say, "Grow, for this is good," and they will grow.
And to the people of the next land I will say, "Grow, for this is good," and they will grow.
And when they can grow no more, the people of this land will fall upon the people of the next to murder them, so they may grow still more.
And if the groans of my progeny fill the air around the world, I will say to them, "Your sufferings must be born, for you suffer in the cause of good. See how great we have become!"'  Ishmael

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Bigbadwooof said:

akira_akuma said:

Bigbadwooof said:

This thread is getting exhausting.

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because the thread is argumentative circular nonsense by now, because it's based on circular logic.

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Yes, I'm done with this one. We can't even agree on the premise of half the arguments. Such as what Left wing politics are, what Fascism is, etc.

I don't think anyone's mind is changing on the immigration issues.

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fennel acid tones said:

And if the groans of my progeny fill the air around the world, I will say to them, "Your sufferings must be born, for you suffer in the cause of good. See how great we have become!"'  Ishmael 

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Malkuthian said:

Yes, we have a lot problems because of migration, but we don't have nearly as much problems as the ones migrating.

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Tipote said:

Children now make up over a third of the people making the perilous sea crossing from Turkey to Greece, the UN has said, as two more babies drowned off Europe’s shores.

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viktor said:

Tipote said:

Children now make up over a third of the people making the perilous sea crossing from Turkey to Greece, the UN has said, as two more babies drowned off Europe’s shores.

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Two babies drowned? OPEN THE BORDERS!! OPEN THE BORDERS NOW!! LET THE WHOLE OF AFRICA IN! BABIES ARE DROWNING!!!

FOR GOD'S SAKE THINK OF THE BABIES!!!!

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Tipote said:

interesting how some lives seem to be worth more than others, to some.

do you have children?

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Starter said:

Tipote said:

interesting how some lives seem to be worth more than others, to some.

do you have children?

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I posted the grim math of over population of Africa's tsunami washing up on Europe and yet this feel-good, pussy emotive rot, is the answer - the same feel-good'ism which has got Europe into this immigrant invasion drama and will fuck them. Seriously, we either grow a pair or nature will arbitrate on our behalf.

Tipote, they're third world. They have no value. If they die it is acceptable. That is the attitude in the third world to their own.

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Tipote said:

interesting how some lives seem to be worth more than others, to some.

do you have children?

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