Malkuthian said:

Does anyone have a viable solution on how to handle all the people in new of new places to live because of war and desertification etc. There will be a lot more of such people in our near future. What to do?

We are talking about the problems in Europe etc, the problems for Europeans. Yes, we have a lot problems because of migration, but we don't have nearly as much problems as the ones migrating. I think we, as global citizens, have to take a part in solving their situation. But how?

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Bubbles85 said:

I don't need to read the links. The behaviour that has been captured on video, speaks louder than any words written in some shitty link ever could.
They hide there faces to clearly hide there identity's.
Only people who have in tensions of criminal behaviour, would feel the need to do this. They clearly fear reprisal's or prosecution.
Clearly half of them are more than guilty of committing an affray. Not to mention the amount of criminal damage and assaults that were taking place.
Do you not remember the nationwide England riots in 2011? How many of the people involved in that, roamed around with there identity's on show? Non and i know quite a few people who decided to get involved.
I can guarantee you, that they are all little pussy holes with out there "crews". So they hide there faces as to not get caught out, with out any back up at a later date.
People can demonstrate and have a right to peaceful protest, but clearly this was not peaceful. Plenty of laws were being broken on both sides.
What i have against them, is there complete and utter disrespect for the law and the innocent people that they affect, with out any remorse. They destroy British towns in protest of people who don't even fucking live here.
Like i said, both groups are exactly the same in terms of there behaviour. This sort of stuff is common place, at every single demonstration that takes places between these two groups.

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Malkuthian said:

Does anyone have a viable solution on how to handle all the people in new of new places to live because of war and desertification etc. There will be a lot more of such people in our near future. What to do?

We are talking about the problems in Europe etc, the problems for Europeans. Yes, we have a lot problems because of migration, but we don't have nearly as much problems as the ones migrating. I think we, as global citizens, have to take a part in solving their situation. But how?

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qman said:

the only reason why they're flooding into the EU is because it's now a open door policy!!

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viktor said:

When is the next major European election? We could see a resurgence of the far right.

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A new anti-foreigner party — the Alternative for Germany (AfD) — has emerged as the big winner from the nation's refugee crisis.
The surge in support has opened the way for it to become the first far-right-wing political force to enter the national Parliament since the World War II.
But success has gone to its head, with the leadership calling for asylum seekers to be shot at the border.
The AfD is now Germany's third political force, behind Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats (CDU) and the left-leaning Social Democrats.
   
New polls have shown the AfD was backed by more than 10 per cent of voters nationally.
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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

I don't need to read the links. The behaviour that has been captured on video, speaks louder than any words written in some shitty link ever could.
They hide there faces to clearly hide there identity's.
Only people who have in tensions of criminal behaviour, would feel the need to do this. They clearly fear reprisal's or prosecution.
Clearly half of them are more than guilty of committing an affray. Not to mention the amount of criminal damage and assaults that were taking place.
Do you not remember the nationwide England riots in 2011? How many of the people involved in that, roamed around with there identity's on show? Non and i know quite a few people who decided to get involved.
I can guarantee you, that they are all little pussy holes with out there "crews". So they hide there faces as to not get caught out, with out any back up at a later date.
People can demonstrate and have a right to peaceful protest, but clearly this was not peaceful. Plenty of laws were being broken on both sides.
What i have against them, is there complete and utter disrespect for the law and the innocent people that they affect, with out any remorse. They destroy British towns in protest of people who don't even fucking live here.
Like i said, both groups are exactly the same in terms of there behaviour. This sort of stuff is common place, at every single demonstration that takes places between these two groups.

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"only criminals would hide their identities" - this is absurd. Are you also someone who says that when it comes to government surveillance, if you aren't doing anything wrong then you havent got anything to hide? lol

There are many reasons why people would want to cover their faces at demonstrations. They might not want to be on police lists/facial recognition databases for attending protests, they might also be protecting themselves against violence from the other side, yes. I heard of some far-left groups in sweden explaining they have received all kinds of threats from these groups and so it is reasonable to protect your identity.

I never said that this was a peaceful protest or that the antifascists weren't breaking laws. There are always violent people who come into protests even in the situations where the protests are peaceful. This is always the case. In one of the videos I posted to you, even the antifascists were saying "what the fuck are you doing" to other antifascists when they were smashing stuff. You should remember that the antifascist groups are actually large coalitions of many different groups which come out against fascism/nazism.

Yes I remember the UK riots. There were criminals who took advantage of that too. opportunists are gna find opportunities in every situation! It doesnt mean that there wasn't a legitimate grievance deep down among some people. It tends to be the case that the thugs dominate in most situations.
I don't defend thugs on the left or the right. I'm saying that it was right for people to come out and challenge groups that praise the nazi death squads. If you looked at my links about those people, you'd understand that calling for the death of foreigners and leftist opponents or the rape of female journalists etc is something to stand up against.

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Tipote, i find it highly amusing that you condemn the far right, whilst at the same time condoning these fucking retards There one in the same.

Just fucking idiots, that want to go out and cause trouble, for pointless fucking reasons, so they can congregate to chant "no more refugees" or "refugees are welcome here" Who gives a fucking shit.

Thats all you ever here from these cock suckers. Like a broken fucking record. Give it a fucking rest and stop disturbing the peace for the rest of the country with you're fucking bull shit.

Birmingham will have it next. The EX English Defense League leader, Tommy Robinson, is holding the first PEGIDA UK rally this weekend in the city. No doubt these two groups will collide again on the streets to fuck the weekend up for the rest of the citys inhabitants.

Bubbles85 said:

Most voters in the UK tend to side with right wing Euro skeptic party's like UKIP rather than the far right.

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Depending of course, as you say, on the out come of the planned referendum by the Conservatives this summer, to decide whether we stay in or leave the EU. Fingers crossed its an out vote by the majority. The EU's a joke and its time we started to govern our own country again and took back control of our own boarders.

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Being a Island, we don't have to end up in the same mess that the rest of the EU has gotten it's self in to

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Malkuthian said:

Does anyone have a viable solution on how to handle all the people in new of new places to live because of war and desertification etc. There will be a lot more of such people in our near future. What to do?

We are talking about the problems in Europe etc, the problems for Europeans. Yes, we have a lot problems because of migration, but we don't have nearly as much problems as the ones migrating. I think we, as global citizens, have to take a part in solving their situation. But how?

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hostileuniverse said:

Maybe the Syrians who flee their country should have some responsibility for making it a better place. Why is everyone else responsible?

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Although, if "the West" cleans up Syria, does that mean we get all their natural resources?

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qman said:

The Middle East and Africa always sucked,

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the only reason why they're flooding into the EU is because it's now a open door policy!!

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Close the border and the problem goes away. It's a choice letting these people into your country, it's not inevitable.

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There's not such thing as "global citizens"

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"have to take part in solving their situation"
Maybe a very small part from a distance, at the end of the day it's up to those people to solve their problems.

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Bubbles85 said:

Tipote, i find it highly amusing that you condemn the far right, whilst at the same time condoning these fucking retards There one in the same.

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Just fucking idiots, that want to go out and cause trouble, for pointless fucking reasons, so they can congregate to chant "no more refugees" or "refugees are welcome here" Who gives a fucking shit.
Thats all you ever here from these cock suckers. Like a broken fucking record. Give it a fucking rest and stop disturbing the peace for the rest of the country with you're fucking bull shit.

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Birmingham will have it next. The EX English Defense League leader, Tommy Robinson, is holding the first PEGIDA UK rally this weekend in the city. No doubt these two groups will collide again on the streets to fuck the weekend up for the rest of the citys inhabitants.

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Save The Children say around 26-27,000 unaccompanied children turned up on Europe’s shores last year – but admit that this is just a best guess because of failures processing new arrivals.

And Ms Allen welcomed the Government’s pledge of an extra £10 million to help improve administration on Lesbos.
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She says she was told of the need to “relieve the administrative pressure”, and even “wondered whether there could be a military operation… with people turning up on an island met by men in green uniforms”.

“We have seen such uncontrolled immigration, and countries risk losing their compassion because they are overwhelmed,” she said. “It seems to me if you are a person looking at the statistics and infrastructure you will be terrified and batten down the hatches and say no more.”
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Ms Allen said she was proud Britain had pledged to take in 20,000 refugees, as well as being “second only to America” in the amount it has contributed towards solving the crisis financially.

But she said she would also press the Government to do more for unaccompanied children in Europe and called on Europe as a whole to address the administrative issues preventing them from being identified.

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Children now make up over a third of the people making the perilous sea crossing from Turkey to Greece, the UN has said, as two more babies drowned off Europe’s shores.

For the first time since the start of the migration crisis in Europe, there are also now more women and children crossing the border from Greece to Macedonia than adult males, according to UN children’s agency Unicef.

The figures emerged as Europe struggles with its biggest movement of people crisis since the second world war, with more than a million people fleeing war, violence and poverty risking life and limb to reach its shores last year.

“Children currently account for 36% of those risking the treacherous sea crossing between Greece and Turkey,” the Unicef spokeswoman Sarah Crowe said.

“Children and women on the move now make up nearly 60%” of those entering from Macedonia, she added.

The figures mark a significant shift since June, when 73% of refugees were adult males and only one in 10 were under the age of 18.

Marie Pierre Poirier, Unicef’s special coordinator for the refugee and migrant crisis in Europe, said women and children were even more vulnerable to the dangers of trying to travel to Europe.

“The implication of this surge in the proportion of children and women on the move are enormous,” she said in a statement.

“It means more are at risk at sea, especially now in the winter, and more need protection on land.”

Underlining her point, the International Organisation for Migration (IOM) said on Tuesday that one in every five who drowned last month while trying to sail from Turkey to Greece was a child, with minors accounting for 60 of the 272 deaths.

Including January, a total of 330 children have died in those waters over the last five months, many of them just metres from shore, the organisation said.

The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea.
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The EU on Tuesday urged Greece to check the flow of asylum seekers to its shores, including better registration and security checks, or risk having border controls imposed with other members of the passport-free Schengen zone.

Greece responded by saying the army will do more to help police and port authorities deal with the new arrivals.

In January, almost 62,200 migrants and refugees entered Europe through Greece, most of them from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, the IOM said, close to a third of them unaccompanied minors.

The Europol police agency warned Sunday that youngsters arriving alone were particularly vulnerable to exploitation, abuse and trafficking.

More than 10,000 unaccompanied children registered after arriving in Europe over the past 18 months to two years had disappeared, the EU’s law enforcement agency said.
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qman said:

"global economic inequality"
This is always going to exist and that fact doesn't justify 3rd world people flooding into the EU.

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"Convention of 1951 and 67"
This isn't enforceable which doesn't make is worth anymore than the paper it's written on.

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I don't deny that fact, but doesn't mean you resort to an open border policy. If they can stop 99% of the inflow, the native population will be satisfied.

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It's true to a certain degree, Africa has been a mess (by our standards) and will always be a mess with or without Western influence.

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"This is racist"
Not if it's true, maybe some groups of humans are just better at organizing themselves, it doesn't make them any better, it just results in a better standard of living.

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Bubbles85 said:

Most voters in the UK tend to side with right wing Euro skeptic party's like UKIP rather than the far right.

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Tipote said:I agree that voters in the UK tend to go UKIP before BNP

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Depending of course, as you say, on the out come of the planned referendum by the Conservatives this summer, to decide whether we stay in or leave the EU. Fingers crossed its an out vote by the majority. The EU's a joke and its time we started to govern our own country again and took back control of our own boarders.

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Tipote said:
I agree that the EU is a joke but I don't think the UK will be leaving it. If he does the referendum this summer or before, it is way too early.

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Being a Island, we don't have to end up in the same mess that the rest of the EU has gotten it's self in to

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Tipote said:

I dont think being an island insulates us from the mess of the EU. Otherwise people wouldnt be at the Calais Jungle and the other camps in France. There is always a way in. The Schengen agreement doesnt apply to the UK anyway.

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Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

I agree that the EU is a joke but I don't think the UK will be leaving it. If he does the referendum this summer or before, it is way too early.

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I don't think it is too early. This has been delayed for years now. Its time to get it done.

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Bubbles85 said:

Tipote, i find it highly amusing that you condemn the far right, whilst at the same time condoning these fucking retards There one in the same.

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Tipote said:

I did not condone violence from the left actually. I said the nazis should be challenged. I also said there are thugs and criminals in every situation.

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Who said you condoned violence? These people all have the same mind set, no matter who their batting for. Each side believes so blindly that they are in the right, that all common sense goes straight out of the window.

I know plenty of people who protest at these things and most of them are fucking arse holes Brainwashed comes to mind.

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Just fucking idiots, that want to go out and cause trouble, for pointless fucking reasons, so they can congregate to chant "no more refugees" or "refugees are welcome here" Who gives a fucking shit.
Thats all you ever here from these cock suckers. Like a broken fucking record. Give it a fucking rest and stop disturbing the peace for the rest of the country with you're fucking bull shit.

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Tipote said:

perhaps you are against demonstrations.

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Nope, I'm against retards

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Birmingham will have it next. The EX English Defense League leader, Tommy Robinson, is holding the first PEGIDA UK rally this weekend in the city. No doubt these two groups will collide again on the streets to fuck the weekend up for the rest of the citys inhabitants.

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Tipote said:

yeh probably! It's still the right thing to do to demonstrate against these groups. No one is saying the right can't demonstrate. Counter demonstrations are fine.

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Hopefully they will all kill each, so we don't have to listen to there BS any more Sick of hearing about it. Non of these protests ever achieve any thing, despite what the people protesting think. Like i said, it's like the blind leading the fucking blind

Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

I agree that the EU is a joke but I don't think the UK will be leaving it. If he does the referendum this summer or before, it is way too early.

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I don't think it is too early. This has been delayed for years now. Its time to get it done.

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Decisions have been late in their manifestation but the clear case for and against has not been made on a national scale. Most people do not have all the facts. If they did, we might actually leave the EU and become a partner like Switzerland and Norway but if its done quickly then people will vote to stay in. I think this is why David Cameron is trying to rush it, he says he is for staying in the EU and this is his incentive.

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I dont think that is the case. Yes Cameron is pushing for us to remain in and is trying to show that his bull shit on EU reform for the UK, is a good reason for that..... Hardly
But i believe most people are all ready sick of our continued membership, so delaying it even further wont make a blinding bit of difference in swaying the vote either way. The decision now, will likely be the same out come in two years time, so lets get it done.

Malkuthian said:

Does anyone have a viable solution on how to handle all the people in new of new places to live because of war and desertification etc. There will be a lot more of such people in our near future. What to do?

We are talking about the problems in Europe etc, the problems for Europeans. Yes, we have a lot problems because of migration, but we don't have nearly as much problems as the ones migrating. I think we, as global citizens, have to take a part in solving their situation. But how?

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I don't expect anyone to like my answer, but

If desertification picks up (as it is) and agriculture / water supplies become so scarce that we're looking at massive migration, there will be problems everywhere, resources will be problematic in the most ideal places.

My solution is for nations / communities to turn away outsiders, many people will die and protecting your own comes first. For that particular situation I would advocate lethal force to protect the borders. I would also advocate migrants using lethal force to acquire resources.

Someone's going to starve, and I would rather kill than be that person.

Anyways it really doesn't matter if anyone likes the idea, should the population continue growing while resources become more scarce, this will happen.