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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: airclay]
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Christians, Jews, and atheists never blow themselves up. Muslims ...
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid...
Nov 5, 2015 - Christians, Jews, and atheists never blow themselves up. Muslims blow themselves up every day. Why do only Muslims have this mental illness ...



^ when I clicked upon the link, it stated:

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This question does not exist or is under review.




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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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paperbackwriter said:
I'm sure with a little effort it'd be easy to make the case that the bible/Christians are just as violent.





Derp derp Christians are violent derp derp derka derka.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Webster10 said:
paperbackwriter said:
I'm sure with a little effort it'd be easy to make the case that the bible/Christians are just as violent.

Anyway here's some context for the above.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kabir-helminski/does-the-quran-really-adv_b_722114.html



No, islam is inherently a more violent religion than any other. Christians are violent because of human nature, not because they're religion told them to be. Muslims are violent because of human nature, but their nature is reinforced and encouraged by the teachings of their religion.



I hope you're not Christian because you don't seem to know too much about what's in the bible:

Cruelty and Violence in the Bible



I'm not Christian and I have actually read the bible. Religion is dumb :shrug:


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Webster10 said:
last time I checked, 14/29 is the minority.



First of all, you're missing Aslan's point once again.  He's saying it's more about where people are from than about what religion they follow that determines the type of person they are.

Secondly, I was refuting burgerbrain's claim that Christians aren't circumcising females, and you're helping me by saying they actually are in 14 out of 29 countries.



What about jihadi John who came from an affluent British family?


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
you're missing Aslan's point once again.  He's saying it's more about where people are from than about what religion they follow that determines the type of person they are.



What about jihadi John who came from an affluent British family?



Plenty of exceptions on both sides.  What about Timothy McVeigh?  Or the Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre?  And so on...


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Shroom Detective]
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Europe

ISIS supporters stab teacher at Jewish school in France, prosecutors say


...The suspects approached the teacher while they rode on scooters, prosecutor Brice Robin told Reuters. He said one suspect wore an Islamic State t-shirt, and another showed a picture on his mobile telephone of Mohamed Merah, an Islamic militant who killed seven people in southern France three years ago...



http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/18/isis-supporters-stab-jewish-teacher-in-france-prosecutors-say/


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Shroom Detective]
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Published November 18, 2015 Associated Press


IS attacks claim more than 800 lives outside Syria, Iraq so far this year


BEIRUT –  The Islamic State group has dramatically expanded its theatre of operations from its hub in Syria and Iraq, executing or inspiring a series of attacks across three continents that claimed more than 800 lives this year.

The mayhem created by those attacks — including the downing of a Russian airliner and a killing spree in the heart of Paris — attracts the kind of attention that the extremist group thrives on.

IS, which has recently lost territory to U.S.-backed forces in Syria and Iraq, seeks to boost its credentials with spectacular acts of violence that attract recruits.

The scope of recent attacks and number of those killed and wounded demonstrate a level of sophistication and a determination that has shocked even closer observers of IS. The attacks reveal the extents to which the group is willing to go to surpass al-Qaida and prove itself the most dominant jihadi movement on the planet.

The attacks also demonstrate the IS group's ability to deliver multiple blows to an array of forces aligned against it. Last month's downing of the Russian plane, for instance, targeted both Russia and Egypt, whose governments have been fighting the group.

On Wednesday, the Islamic State group announced it has killed Norwegian and Chinese captives, reflecting its intention to continue kidnapping and killing hostages inside its "caliphate" in Sunni areas of Syria and Iraq, while at the same time pursuing mass murder abroad.

Thousands of people have been killed by IS in Syria in and Iraq this year in mass executions, bombings and other attacks.

Here's a timeline of IS attacks outside Syria and Iraq this year:

Nov. 13: At least 129 people are killed in Paris with over 350 wounded, most at a concert hall, but some at trendy restaurants and several near a national stadium. IS claims the attack, the worst in the history of Paris, calling it retaliation for France's role in U.S.-led airstrikes against IS in both Iraq and Syria.

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Nov. 12: Twin powerful suicide bombings tear through a crowded Shiite neighborhood of Beirut, killing 43 people and wounding more than 200 others. IS claims the attack.

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Oct. 31: A bomb downs a Russian airliner 23 minutes after it takes off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh bound for the Russian city of St. Petersburg. The plane crashes in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, home to a potent IS affiliate, killing all 224 people on board, most of them Russian tourists. IS claimed the attack.

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Oct. 10: Two suicide bombings kill at least 100 people at a peace rally in Ankara, Turkey. The attack was not claimed by IS but the Turkish prosecutor investigating the attack said it was carried out by a local IS cell.

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Oct. 6: Suicide car bombings targeting exiled Yemeni officials and the Saudi and Emirati troops backing their efforts to retake the country kill at least 15 people in the port city of Aden. A new IS affiliate claimed responsibility for the assault, which officials earlier blamed on Yemen's Shiite rebels.

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Aug. 6: A suicide bomber attacks a mosque inside a police compound in western Saudi Arabia, killing 15 people in the deadliest attack on the kingdom's security forces in years. Eleven of the dead belonged to an elite counterterrorism unit whose tasks include protecting the hajj pilgrimage. IS claimed the attack.

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June 26: Gunman kills 38 tourists, mostly Britons, in the coastal resort of Sousse, Tunisia. In March, two attackers fired on tourists and others at Tunis' National Bardo Museum, killing 22 people. In a third attack the same day, a bomb rips through one of Kuwait's oldest Shiite mosques during Friday prayers, killing 27. It was the first major terrorist attack in Kuwait in more than two decades and was claimed by IS.

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May 29: A suicide bomber disguised as a woman blows himself up in the parking lot of the only Shiite mosque in the Saudi port city of Dammam, killing four people. IS claimed the attack.

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May 22: A suicide bomber strikes a Shiite mosque in eastern Saudi Arabia as worshippers commemorate the birth of a revered saint, killing 21 people and wounding dozens more. The attack happened in the eastern Qatif region, the heartland of Saudi Arabia's Shiite Muslim minority. It was the deadliest militant assault in the kingdom in more than a decade and was claimed by IS.

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April 18: Afghan President Ashraf Ghani blames the Islamic State group for a suicide bombing in the country that kills at least 35 people and wounds 125.

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March 20: An emerging IS affiliate in Yemen claims a series of suicide bombings that kill 137 people and wound 345.



http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/18/is-attacks-claim-more-than-800-lives-outside-syria-iraq-so-far-this-year/


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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paperbackwriter said:
I'm sure with a little effort it'd be easy to make the case that the bible/Christians are just as violent.




That is a pathetic excuse.  Its not a competition for who is worse.  Christianity being bad does not vindicate Islam.  Christians being bad does not vindicate Muslims.  Violence and oppression is bad regardless of what other people are doing - it stands as terrible in its own right.

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: DieCommie]
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Of course it does, written in black & white in the Quran and oft repeated in daily prayers, to a point where it can not be disputed. To answer the question of whether Islam promotes violence it is totally irrelevant as to whether other religions also promote violence or not.

The real question that should be asked is;
"Does the promotion of violence by Islam result in violence from its followers?"

First you need to understand what this conflict in Syria is actually about and it isn't religion it is a conflict over power. The leaders of ISIS want to control the Middle East and to do so they need two things;
1) A rallying cry to gain support - that would be Islam and the establishment of a caliphate in the name of Allah.
2) Identification of a common enemy - that would be the "West"

The West is not at war with ISIS, at least not yet. They declare war against us but that is only part of the rallying cry as evidenced by their actions. Sure they send a few terrorists to kill a few innocents in the west but the other 99.9% of their efforts are directed toward killing and subjugation of other Muslims. That wouldn't be nearly as effective a rallying cry if they were to actually admit what their goal was, which is to oust ruling Muslims and replace them with themselves.

Lots is said about the influence of Islam and its teachings and without a doubt it has influence over its followers, but the vast majority of its followers don't go on a jihad nor ever will. Religion by its very nature appeals to those with weak minds who are easily influenced.

After all any religion asks its followers to believe in what is essentially a supreme sky fairy with absolutely no empirical evidence of its existence. For someone who is able to accept this supposition as their reality and pattern their life around it then it is but a small step to have that person accept the idea that they are acting on behalf of and under the direct wishes of this supreme being. Once you believe that then it is easy to justify any and all of your actions, and/or ignore or fail to fault the violent actions of others.

This by no means is exclusive territory of Islam, followers of all religions have and do exhibit this type of thinking. Look at Jehovah's Witnesses or any of the more extreme Baptists out there for an example of convoluted thinking and the ability to justify at times what to the rest of us appear very inappropriate decisions, actions, and pronouncements. It just so happens that in the Middle East conflict of today Islam is a very useful tool to those that seek power through conflict.

Terrorism has no religion, however most of today's terrorists do have one and it happens to be Islam.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Still_tripping]
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DEVELOPING:

An 18-year-old American tourist has been identified as one of the victims shot and killed by a Palestinian terrorist Thursday in the West Bank...

"Whoever condemned the attacks in France needs to condemn the attacks in Israel. It’s the same terror."

- Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu


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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/19/at-least-5-dead-in-west-bank-and-tel-aviv-terrorist-attacks/?intcmp=hpbt1


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Still_tripping]
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Still_tripping said:
Of course it does, written in black & white in the Quran and oft repeated in daily prayers, to a point where it can not be disputed. To answer the question of whether Islam promotes violence it is totally irrelevant as to whether other religions also promote violence or not.

The real question that should be asked is;
"Does the promotion of violence by Islam result in violence from its followers?"

First you need to understand what this conflict in Syria is actually about and it isn't religion it is a conflict over power. The leaders of ISIS want to control the Middle East and to do so they need two things;
1) A rallying cry to gain support - that would be Islam and the establishment of a caliphate in the name of Allah.
2) Identification of a common enemy - that would be the "West"

The West is not at war with ISIS, at least not yet. They declare war against us but that is only part of the rallying cry as evidenced by their actions. Sure they send a few terrorists to kill a few innocents in the west but the other 99.9% of their efforts are directed toward killing and subjugation of other Muslims. That wouldn't be nearly as effective a rallying cry if they were to actually admit what their goal was, which is to oust ruling Muslims and replace them with themselves.

Lots is said about the influence of Islam and its teachings and without a doubt it has influence over its followers, but the vast majority of its followers don't go on a jihad nor ever will. Religion by its very nature appeals to those with weak minds who are easily influenced.

After all any religion asks its followers to believe in what is essentially a supreme sky fairy with absolutely no empirical evidence of its existence. For someone who is able to accept this supposition as their reality and pattern their life around it then it is but a small step to have that person accept the idea that they are acting on behalf of and under the direct wishes of this supreme being. Once you believe that then it is easy to justify any and all of your actions, and/or ignore or fail to fault the violent actions of others.

This by no means is exclusive territory of Islam, followers of all religions have and do exhibit this type of thinking. Look at Jehovah's Witnesses or any of the more extreme Baptists out there for an example of convoluted thinking and the ability to justify at times what to the rest of us appear very inappropriate decisions, actions, and pronouncements. It just so happens that in the Middle East conflict of today Islam is a very useful tool to those that seek power through conflict.

Terrorism has no religion, however most of today's terrorists do have one and it happens to be Islam.




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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
paperbackwriter said:
I'm sure with a little effort it'd be easy to make the case that the bible/Christians are just as violent.




That is a pathetic excuse.  Its not a competition for who is worse.  Christianity being bad does not vindicate Islam.  Christians being bad does not vindicate Muslims.  Violence and oppression is bad regardless of what other people are doing - it stands as terrible in its own right.




agreed, religion is the devil. But within our current culture it would be ignorant to not take into account that there is a christian culture that pervades american thought creating an easy path to not understand the two religions as equals.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: airclay]
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But I still feel the idea that the problems are nationalized and not internalized in the religion is a very fair point that a lot are overlooking here. tons of countries shown below that do not have the problems some posters are trying to pin on all muslims by observance of a religion.



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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
But I still feel the idea that the problems are nationalized and not internalized in the religion is a very fair point that a lot are overlooking here. tons of countries shown below that do not have the problems some posters are trying to pin on all muslims by observance of a religion.





That's a good point, and I've been to THE most populated Muslim country, with very little extremist violence, the difference is in what the countries govt's are doing to stop it. Indonesia has armed soldiers patrolling the cities, checkpoints when entering populated areas such as malls and arenas.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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indonesia is by far the most moderate country with a high islamic population (about 13% of all muslims on the planet).

but the question that comes to my mind is whether or not we'd still have what we have without islam in the picture. i think we would because the violence and oppression that is happening is what follows from neoliberal geopolitics (namely the building of client states in the third world order to exploit natural resources), extreme poverty and all of the rage that accompanies it. i think muhammad is to the islam of these war torn countries as what marx was to the bolsheviks. i think it might be fair to say that islam may be more prone to radicalization than other religions because after all, it does have aspects of warrior religion in it; muhammad was a brilliant military tactician. but that was a long time ago. radical islam as we know it really didn't start until the 80's.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: millzy]
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millzy said:
...i think muhammad is to the islam of these war torn countries as what marx was to the bolsheviks...



Das ist bescheuert.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Shroom Detective]
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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Shroom Detective]
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Shroom Detective said:
millzy said:
...i think muhammad is to the islam of these war torn countries as what marx was to the bolsheviks...



Das ist bescheuert.



great point.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
But I still feel the idea that the problems are nationalized and not internalized in the religion is a very fair point that a lot are overlooking here. tons of countries shown below that do not have the problems some posters are trying to pin on all muslims by observance of a religion.




Agreed, it's not a fight about religion, it is about political power with religion, and religious people being used as a tool to get that power so it has little to do with a country's primary religious sect. I happen to live in one of those dark green countries and there are no problems here in fact we have a Mosque that sits right beside a Jewish temple and there are no armed guards, in fact no guards at all, and just an ordinary fence separating the two.

It is in some people's nature to want to tell other people what to do.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Still_tripping]
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Islam isn't violent, that's Wahhabism that the extremists supports.


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