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Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors?
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10 years ago I wouldn't have ever even considered it a possibility, but CGI is fast approaching a point where it's impossible to tell the difference between real life and computer generated. There are many reasons why people may switch to total CGI if/when it does become absolutely indistinguishable. For one the entire movie can be done without ever having to build a set or pay for the countless costs of shooting on a set. Don't have to worry about weather not cooperating, the logistics involved, getting permits, reshooting the same scene over and over to get it right, etc.

That covers the visual but you still need voices for the dialog. It might seem "obvious" that would mean actors still.. But even computer generated voices are getting equally as advanced. Used to be all rough and jumpy when the program strung random words together, but that's not really the case anymore. They flow much more naturally.

So if people can create entire realistic movies on only a computer, why keep actors around? They have to be paid ridiculous sums of money for big budget films and popular TV shows. I can't really think of any incentive to keep actors around if the same exact thing can be accomplished completely devoid of their prescience, except perhaps, tying a popular actor's name to a film can really generate large amounts of interest. Though even that is far from a guarantee. As computer generated movies/tv shows became more common, we'd probably stop valuing actors the way we do. Actually we'd probably transfer that "value" to the artists and directors who really made the movie.

So what do you think? You think their days are numbered? Or do you think that even when they're not needed we'll desperately hold onto them because of some sense of nostalgia?


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Shroomslip]
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the combination of conversation robots and virtual reality will lead to automated NPC's with full dialogue options.

I would think if a studio had the power to make fully digital actors they might save tons of money compared to hiring famous folk.

I can see virtual plays being a thing. People will still appreciate the human factor of actors. Virtual plays may consist of many AI conversation bots and a handful of human actors in virtual costumes


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Psilosopherr]
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They've been collecting all the physical data from actors so they can just use that information to input into a digital format to replace them physically. 

They'll just all end up doing voiceovers. 





Not really.


But maybe  :shrug:


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Big Worm]
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I thought robots made the big blockbuster movies anyway?
Or maybe it just seems like that?


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Turtletotem]
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Sadly it only seems that way :lol:

By the time they get done reviving old movies, it'll be time to start reviving the revivals.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said:
Sadly it only seems that way :lol:

By the time they get done reviving old movies, it'll be time to start reviving the revivals.




Lol,  it's like a loop of you staring into a mirror, of yourself starting in a mirror


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Shroomslip]
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:lol:

Robocop the reboot of the reimagining of the sequel to the prequel of the revival of Robocop.

But without the satire, obviously. Corporations are our friends now, according to movies.


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Turtletotem]
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it did it that book lucifers dragon....

but the same thought crossed my mind recently, it's hard to think people will stop acticing, theatre will never stop imo, but as far as tv and movies its a slight possibility some day right but why woiuld it totally replace them with so many people wanting to act

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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: chameleon303]
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I don't think we'll ever get to the point of completely replacing the human elements of film production, for a few reasons. One, the Uncanny Valley. There's something really weird about watching something trying very hard to be human without actually being human. We need to see real people and pick up on the subtle emotions they can portray. Currently, our technology is such that even though we can reproduce those facial features digitally, we have to use mocap to do it. Also, I'm not so sure it's actually cheaper to do sets digitally than it is in real life. It depends on the setting. For big blockbusters, certainly, but something smaller and more intimate, it's just as cheap to build a set. Whenever we build sets, we do it with budgets of around $1500. Does anyone know what an interior residential set would cost to digitally render off the top of their heads?


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Shroomslip]
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I don't think so OP. Humans have an organic sense of emotions that robots can't recreate...yet.

I agree the CGI and computrrs are already used in most productions but there will always be the need for the human aspect that we all connect to in entertainment.


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Sham87]
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yeah, I'd give it a couple decades though


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Ezuma]
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It could definitely be done but I don't think it will ever be more than 50% CGI over actual actors.
People like to see their favorite actors perform and even if CGI becomes more prevalent, real actors and cameras will offer a nostalgia that couldn't be duplicated.
Even if it could be duplicated it would not always be appreciated


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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They will most likely always have people who do the motions and the emotions, instead of creating them theirselves. It's easier and it looks way more natural. Games have recently been doing this alot, and the movie Avatar did it.

The human element won't be replaced. Although CGI will definately play a roll. Because you no longer need to find someone who looks exactly like you imagined, because you can just edit someone to look like you imagined The body motions and voices will be done by humans though.


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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and what about directos? whre do they come into this theory, though way way off into the future it may be cheaper to have no human actors there will always be a human director and writer, but then AI may even take over this aspect?  link that in with personalized viewing based on some google vision thingy and we'll have and tv/movie that features the watcher or... whatever

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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: chameleon303]
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They'll still have actors. Human movements and emotions take A LONG TIME to do digitally. Especially if you don't want it to look like shit.


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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Achillita]
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yeah i can imagine ive played with 3ds max so apreciate its a lot of work...now, i was specualting far into the future like when bttf thought we'd have hover boards and jaws holograms by now

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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Sham87]
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Sham87 said:
I don't think so OP. Humans have an organic sense of emotions that robots can't recreate...yet.

I agree the CGI and computrrs are already used in most productions but there will always be the need for the human aspect that we all connect to in entertainment.


I agree with this. I think there features of humans that are subconscious and are very difficult to create via CGI.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Do you think CGI and computers will eventually pretty much replace actual actors? [Re: Shroomslip]
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i think it's possible that in the future, powerful algorithms will create new block busters in an automated fashion based on public desire and interest. i think the google dream program is a very tiny baby step in that direction

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