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Spores = less legal than we thought? * 1
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[url=http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0703/mg0703.html]http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0703/mg0703.html (Please do not link directly to government websites)

Link goes to DEA website, so paste it into a diff window if you're paranoid, here's the relevant text:

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- INTELLIGENCE BRIEF-

MAIL-ORDER PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOM SPORES IN GREAT FALLS, MONTANA

The DEA Western Laboratory (San Francisco, California) recently received a submission of three standard design, plastic, 12 milliliter syringes containing a clear liquid with very small black specks suspended in the solution, suspected to be aqueous suspensions of psilocybin mushroom spores. The exhibits were seized by the Postal Inspector in Great Falls, Montana. Each syringe had a piece of colored tape wrapped around it; one red, one white, and one blue. Each tape had a different alphanumeric code written on it, the meaning of which was not intuitively obvious. For prosecution purposes (attempt to manufacture psilocybin and/or psilocin, controlled substances), it was necessary to show both that the spores were viable (would grow mushrooms), and that the mushrooms grown from the spores contained psilocybin and/or psilocin.


Visual examination of a drop of the liquid at 750x magnification revealed thousands of brownish colored, semi-transparent, oval shaped spores. Each solution was used to innoculate four different growth media: Potato, dextrose, yeast agar (PDY), dog food agar (DFA), malt extract agar (MEA), and brown rice powder and vermiculite. The basic procedures followed those provided in: Gross ST. Detecting psychoactive drugs in the developmental stages of mushrooms. Journal of Forensic Sciences 2000;45(3):527. [Further details not provided in accordance with Bulletin policy.] Mycelium growth was obtained with two of the syringes; analysis of samples of the mycelium by GC/MS and GC/IRD confirmed psilocin (see: Casale JF. An aqueous-organic extraction method for the isolation and identification of psilocin from hallucinogenic mushrooms. Journal of Forensic Sciences 1985;30(1):247). Transfer of the mycelium to a grow chamber resulted in mushroom growth (see Photo 5), and analysis of the dried mushrooms confirmed psilocin. This was the first submission of this type to the Western Laboratory.
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Notice that the package was seized in montana, a place i thought spores to be legal, and also that they also demonstrated spore viability for prosecution purposes. So are we to conclude that if a postal inspector seizes your syringe package, you're gonna get slapped with attempt to manufacture a controlled substance?

Edited by Lana (12/14/03 11:08 AM)

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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: WH15K3Y_50UR_PLZ] * 1
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Simple answer: Own a microscope. Microscopy is not illegal.


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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: Randolph_Carter]
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Ya most people buy spores to look under the microscope, same as I.

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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: theshiftingwalls]
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If you think the microscopy thing is going to save your ass, then i think you're dreaming. The article doesn't say "after ascertaining that recipient didnt own a microscope, spore viability was demonstrated for prosecution purposes".

Also, microscopy doesnt require live spores, and would only make plausible sense if you bought one syringe, since more than that would be gross overkill in producing slides.


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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: WH15K3Y_50UR_PLZ]
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not if each syringe is of a different strain.....and they're cheap, who cares if it's overkill? They did have different identifications...
And live spores are much better than the bursted-open-thru-freezing kind...those aren't any fun to look at.
But if they did try and get me on that, it'd be one hell of a fight...i grow legal mushrooms, not the hallucinogenic kind, and i'll be damned if they can get me on "intent to produce"
It's almost a fucking thought crime...


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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: Randolph_Carter]
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Not that I know for certain, but i doubt that different strains have significant differences in the appearance of their spores.

and my question here wasnt whether or not they were correct in charging people with a crime, but simply whether or not we could conclude from the article that that is what they're doing.


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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: WH15K3Y_50UR_PLZ]
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we can conclude that they are gathering evidence that could be used in said prosecution. Other evidence would be required due to the aforementioned use of said spores...like live cultures, large amounts of substrate materials...it'd just be another step in the case.


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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: WH15K3Y_50UR_PLZ]
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I read that a while back.......

It bothered me too......

But keep in mind that syringes do kind of show intent to innoculate something.....ie: conspiracy to manufacture


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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: WH15K3Y_50UR_PLZ]
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Quote:
The DEA Western Laboratory (San Francisco, California) recently received a submission of three standard design, plastic, 12 milliliter syringes containing a clear liquid with very small black specks suspended in the solution, suspected to be aqueous suspensions of psilocybin mushroom spores. The exhibits were seized by the Postal Inspector in Great Falls, Montana.


The only reason I could possibly see a problem with those spores syringes is from the sender. My best _guess_, and thats all it is, is that the sender had intent to ship the spores to California and the Postal Inspector caught wind, seeing as how spores are illegal in Ohio and California.

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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: panamared]
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im so glad that the DEA cant toutch me. thay are fucking GESTAPO.


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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: WH15K3Y_50UR_PLZ]
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WH15K3Y_50UR_PLZ said:
If you think the microscopy thing is going to save your ass, then i think you're dreaming. The article doesn't say "after ascertaining that recipient didnt own a microscope, spore viability was demonstrated for prosecution purposes".


it can and could, the problem is if there is anything else present that would suggest conspiracy to manufacture. 1/2 pint jars, substrait, agar, petris any any thing else that might suggest.

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microscopy doesnt require live spores, and would only make plausible sense if you bought one syringe, since more than that would be gross overkill in producing slides.


comparison of differing species for taxonomical purposes. viable spores make it much easier to tell the properties of an individual spore just as much as a hydrated spore is better than dried spores.

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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: panamared]
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panamared said:
The only reason I could possibly see a problem with those spores syringes is from the sender. My best _guess_, and thats all it is, is that the sender had intent to ship the spores to California and the Postal Inspector caught wind, seeing as how spores are illegal in Ohio and California.


I would be asking myself why was the package siezed, postal inspectors only look at suspicious items or items on a watch list, dogs sniff for drugs. Was the sender or reciever on a watch list and why, was it like with the PF case, a few parents were alarmed and called. did the spores come from a vendor and how was it shipped.

if the spores were sent to montana and they are legal in montana what threw the flag to call the DEA, was the package xrayed the syringe and needle show up, wrapped in foil nothing shows.

were they sent to or from montana and if it was from montana where were the being sent? a couple of states are taboo for the spore vendors and most probably wouldnt ship there but to a state where they are legal what gave the inspector reason to suspect the package

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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: Granola]
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Good point. How and why did the Postal Inspector open the packages? What reasons did he have? Of course the DEA isn't going to tell us so chances are we may never actually know.  :nonono:


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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: panamared]
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probably not but think about it and learn from others mistakes, I knew a guy that imported roses from columbia for a floral business, 3 years with out incident regardless of drug dogs, one morning about 40 cops and DEA showed up and tore the warehouse apart looking for cocaine

they packed the roses with the gel type icepacks and quite a few were an off color, every box we ever recieved had holes in the boxes and many were opened. customs just got lucky one day and hit a packet of coke.

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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: Granola]
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that is sooooo relevant


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Re: Spores = less legal than we thought? [Re: WH15K3Y_50UR_PLZ]
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it is if you think about it, now you know that roses are a shitty way to import coke and you need another method, instead of just a drug probe through several boxes they open them and visualy inspect them.

why the hel cant you guys read my mind :laugh:


edit: post 100 I'm a whore

Edited by Granola (12/17/03 12:37 AM)

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